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   Oh, and thanks for the notice of elbow on the body. Maybe that's the point.Just forget to hold like that for the surgemax is too big LoL.
If you check the shape. You will find it with a pistol hold stock which makes it very light on the rear but a full covered rail on the cylinder (I guess that's the reason of the weight) which makes it very heavy on the mid and front.
If I put my elbow on my body to hold it, my left hand is near to where the triger is and I can feel the rifle try to leaning toward a little bit.
By the way, I am about 1.8m high. and this problem is not an universal one. I think it is only for this model design...

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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 9:56pm
	Oh, and thanks for the notice of elbow on the body. Maybe that's the point. Just forget to hold like that for the surgemax is too big LoL. If you check the shape. You will find it with a pistol hold stock which makes it very light on the rear but a full covered rail on the cylinder (I guess that's the reason of the weight) which makes it very heavy on the mid and front. If I put my elbow on my body to hold it, my left hand is near to where the triger is and I can feel the rifle try to leaning toward a little bit. By the way, I am about 1.8m high. and this problem is not an universal one. I think it is only for this model design...
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kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 1705	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 9:53pm
	It just stops you starting up lots of threads about differnt stuff. I did the same for me. Makes it a bit less of lots a threads about stuff some, of it that has been covered on this site before. Also lot of the ppl here are many years into air rifles and newbies like you and me tend to ask the wrong questions in the wrong thread. It stops that too, but is still accessible to everyone. When you hold your rife try grabbing it at its point of balance on the stock. Then with the butt very lightly against shoulder, move your elbow on the hand you are holding the rifle with onto your hip. This will help take the weight of the rifle by pushing it down wards into your hip. You will notice that as you aim the gun is going up and down with your breathing. Get the rifle on target and when you are on target and getting ready to pull the trigger hold your breath. This will stop the breathing movement and make the rifle steadier. You should be holding the rifle the same place every time and same way everytime. If you don't it will shoot differnt everytime. Spring or gas ram rifles usually need to be held the same place and same way to be accurate. Hold the gun very lightly, it will not jump out of your hands or anything, they do not have enough power to do that in the smaller calabar range. It will need practice. It is not usually something you pick up strait away. Once you have it sussed, your shooting should be more accurate. You can adjust what I've said to suit you, but that's the basics of the arti-something hold. It may be that you find a way that suits you better, or maybe your gun isn't that hold sensitive. But if you have a lot of kickback it is a good way to start controlling it. That kickback will make you shoot not accurate everytime you use it if you don't hold it the same way every time. Thats the other reason for using this thread. People can give long explanation and it doesn't fill up a differnt thread. It's easier for you to look up stuff later that you asked because you know the answer is here.

CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 9:45pm
	Only use the rest for sight in. And it takes too long to set up a table, seat and gun rest then shoot. My landlord won't let them stay in the yard over night and it is rainning heavily so neither do I. Just some quick shot on targets. That is Okish before. But sometime try to plinking for a longer time, and find that too tired to hold it anyway. Used to hold it normally, like two tri-angle with two arms to fix the position of the rifle. After learned the some special hold for piston-air, working as let the left arm as the gun rest and relax the right arm to pull the triger, I just find it won't help anyway? When I keep shooting, I just grab that gun with my left hand and cock, load and triger it with my right hand. So it is about 20mins that the rifle won't leave my left hand and I find it is too heavy for me somehow. By the way, I was OK with the stalker jr. but the surgemax feels even 1.5 times heavier than my friend's gamo whisper. What I mean is that the hold won't help as if you let the gun sliding on the rest or your left hand (as a rest) with the recoil, that is a cool idea. But the thing I am facing is that if my left arm a little bit tired and won't be steady as a real gun rest, the sliding with the recoil can lead to a real big movement on the muzzle. And, sorry to let you feel annoying. And thanks for all the advice and guidings from mates here. However, that is a real situation to a self-learning beginner I think...No pretending to be pro and be quiet like knowing everything, that won't help me learn more. Believe or not, one of my friends still not believe that even a cheap rifle has a rifled barrel as well after I tell him that I have checked and discussed on this forum. And one of my friends who grab a gamo whisper from guncity with sighted-in service even don't know he is paying an extra for that service and he think gamo works so better than the weirach he bought at F&H(without any sight-in service) is because the design and quility. Another just bought one before the covid lock down and never test it and don't know it needs sight-in. He told me that he just take 3 shots into the wood, don't know where the pellets flying to and then think it is too loud for neighbors and put it away after buying. So that's the level around this country for people who have one or few collections of air rifle...
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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 9:13pm
	emm，not really... elbow not in the body. Just keep shooting for about 15 rounds then my arm get tired... Why make a new topic for this, LoL
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kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 1705	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 4:45pm
	So haven't you shot your umerex before cute rabbit? This surly can't be the first time you've shot it. How are you holding it that it makes your arm tired? Are you tucking your elbow into body to give it support. Edited by kruzaroad - 29 Jan 2023 at 4:49pm

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 1705	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 4:41pm
	Down the rabbit hole with cuterabbit.