FX Cyclone pellet feed issue

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   I changed from .177 JSB Exact Diablo (8.44g) to H&N Baracudas (10.65) and immediately found pellets mag or pellet seating jamming often. Mag seems to seat fine only when cocking is there the issue.

Wiggling the cocking lever at the same time as the mag can fix the issue, but sometimes I need to pull mag shaft and cocking back and wiggle the mag to get it out then re-fit.

This is recurring on each mag.

I removed and lubed the mag O ring and mag and found zero issues with JSB, but the H&N Baras will load but with extra force required - pre-lube they did not want to load at all.

I note all pellets looked and loaded fine when loaded into the mag.

Has anyone else found issues with loading high quality pellets of different sizes?   

I presume my used Cyclone has done a bit of work given previous owners used it for culling, professionally I think...could this indicate a service and maybe replacement of some parts is over-due?

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JasonEdward Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 22 Sep 2024 Location: Waihi Status: Offline Posts: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote JasonEdward Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: FX Cyclone pellet feed issue Posted: 25 Nov 2024 at 7:05am
	I changed from .177 JSB Exact Diablo (8.44g) to H&N Baracudas (10.65) and immediately found pellets mag or pellet seating jamming often. Mag seems to seat fine only when cocking is there the issue. Wiggling the cocking lever at the same time as the mag can fix the issue, but sometimes I need to pull mag shaft and cocking back and wiggle the mag to get it out then re-fit. This is recurring on each mag. I removed and lubed the mag O ring and mag and found zero issues with JSB, but the H&N Baras will load but with extra force required - pre-lube they did not want to load at all. I note all pellets looked and loaded fine when loaded into the mag. Has anyone else found issues with loading high quality pellets of different sizes? I presume my used Cyclone has done a bit of work given previous owners used it for culling, professionally I think...could this indicate a service and maybe replacement of some parts is over-due?

nunga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Admin Joined: 09 Mar 2013 Location: Pukekohe Status: Offline Posts: 1050	Post Options Post Reply Quote nunga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Nov 2024 at 1:21pm
	It will be the head size causing the problems. I have found with JSB they tend to set the skirt as the head size. If you measure the heads you will find they are all the same size and it is the skirt which is different. H&N the head size is the hard size. I find the H&N are way tighter in the barrel because of this.
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Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1561	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Nov 2024 at 2:18am
	When I had a Cyclone I tried H&N Baracuda and experienced exactly that. Silicon solved the issue. They were very accurate for me too. I was using the Baracuda match.

JasonEdward Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 22 Sep 2024 Location: Waihi Status: Offline Posts: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote JasonEdward Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Nov 2024 at 5:56am
	Even more interesting. The "feel" of H&N baracuda pellets compared to JSB AFTER fresh silcon was that I can now push the pellets into the breech but with more force than required with the JSB. Which makes perfect sense given what you both tell me. But it was only a few hundred shots ago that I lightly siliconed the mags and I didn't remove the o Rings as i did this time so lube is definitely on the INSIDE of the O rings now. The pellets are Baracuda "Long Range Hunting" at 10.65g, the same weights as pellets labelled Baracuda "Hunter Exteme" in a sample pack - are these marketing names for the same pellets? What weight are your Baracuda Match Pauly - on the H&N site they are also 10.65....? In my short 18m back yard shooting the change to heavier pellets has no impact on POI but I'm sure further out things would be different... Maybe lube is the answer to all of the worlds problems?????

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1561	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Nov 2024 at 6:12am
	You might be onto something wit the lube There are a few different Barracuda types. The ones I used were smooth domed. I do wonder if the harsher ridges on the hunter extreme make it harder too?

JasonEdward Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 22 Sep 2024 Location: Waihi Status: Offline Posts: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote JasonEdward Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Nov 2024 at 5:05pm
	Pauly are there that many Baracuda models all of the exactly the same weight? Cheers M

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1561	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2024 at 2:20am
	The ones I can think of are Hunter, Match, green and extreme . All versions of Barracuda. Plus I think they come in different weights. 15, 18 and 21 grain.

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 977	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2024 at 6:29am
	Hi Mark, Yes H&N have a whole range of pellets under the “baracuda” name. And that’s why we try as many different makes, models, head sizes and weights of pellets as we can in a rifle, till you find the one that the rifle likes 👌🏻
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JasonEdward Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 22 Sep 2024 Location: Waihi Status: Offline Posts: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote JasonEdward Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2024 at 9:15am
	Too right Pete, But there seem to be at least 3 barracudas of exactly the same weight - I'm wondering if they are the same...

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1561	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2024 at 9:54am
	In regard to the feeding from the mags, I would imagine the hunter extreme type with harder ridges on the head could feed a bit rougher.