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kruzaroad 
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 Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 7:48am |
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Get a live trap and throw a rabbit in. If they are that use to stealing your rabbits they will go in. Hang the rest above it.
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Myson
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Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 10:15am |
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Regarding wild cats Pete, I used to go hunting pheasants in the forests near Napier during the season.
I flushed so many wild cats during the first two years over there, I put my shotgun away and took a silenced Ruger M77 .223 rifle instead on my third year. It's 1-in-9 twist barrel allowed me to shoot 68gr Hornady Match rounds extremely accurately out to 800yds. That season, we shot 61 cats (!) in one week in various forests over there!!!! And that was without NV gear! We just piled up rabbits and possums in various spots and snipered 'em from 100-200yds - great fun!  But I reckon, if we'd had NV gear, our total would have been 100+! I've never seen so many wild cats in all my life. I guess the warmer drier weather over there - and lots of tucker (Quail, Pheasants, Rabbits, etc) - allowed them to breed successfully? Keep knocking 'em down mate! They're a menace.... |
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Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
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RangerPete
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Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 11:13am |
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Wow Myson, that’s a lot of cats, good work!
The problem I have is that I’m always on other peoples property when I’m out culling rabbits at night. And the very vast majority of my clients don’t want cats shot on their properties, either because they have cats them selves, or because they are worried about the neighbours cats… 🤔 I firmly believe that every rule that applies to owning a dog in NZ should also apply to owning a cat, which includes licensing it, wearing a collar and a bell, and containing it with in your own property. |
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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.
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Myson
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Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 1:57am |
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Totally agree Pete!
Yeah - you're in a tricky situation, being on others' property and probably not too far from neighbours or town? I've shot two more on local farms this year with my beloved S510. All in the late evening as they start their nightly prowl. It's time to start wall-mounting their heads, methinks?!!!!
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Posted: 15 Sep 2024 at 9:38am |
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Some interesting results comming out of this sub 16FPE comparison.
Not just from the terminal ballistics side, but from other things I’ve been noticing like the correlation of pellet velocity’s and rabbit reaction times to the shot… From watching many video replays of shots, it seems past a certain distance a faster pellet is preferable, slower pellets give the rabbit the opportunity to hear the shot and react before the pellet gets there!!! Obviously other factors like ambient noise and wind direction will influence it, but on the still, quiet nights when I do most of my culling I’ve decided that regardless of projectile caliber or weight, if I’m shooting out past 40yards I want my muzzle velocity higher than 700fps. |
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Posted: 07 Dec 2024 at 10:06am |
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Finally finished and uploaded The Sub 16 FPE Comparison.
Its a long video but I go into quite a bit of detail comparing the pellet penetration and performance of 3 calibers, all set to Sub16FPE. No testing on water mellons or ballistic gel, this is all real world rests on small game. Its up on my Youtube channel now @precisionpellet Let me know your thoughts. |
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 07 Dec 2024 at 11:01am |
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Very interesting. Well put together.
Hope you got that age restricted, or just on site, don't know if utube will leave it up to long if not. Watching the reaction of rabbits ducking pellets, and how accurately they bent under or moved to avoid pellet, I would suggest that maybe you should set up somewhere safe and listen to the sound of a pellet going past ( ive heard them before when standing to one side of a target at 100m) you will hear them as they approach and pass. It looks to me like they responding directly to the pellet. They seem to be actively avoiding the pellet not just responding to sound of gun.Though the rifle sound may start the reaction. Great video. Edited by kruzaroad - 07 Dec 2024 at 11:09am |
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 07 Dec 2024 at 2:09pm |
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Does have me curious as well, as too if the hades with its fancy head actually makes a louder sound cutting through the air. The two rabbits at the end with the .22 definitely had a much more noticable duck down with one actually diving onto its front legs and then
dropping its body even lower to avoid pellet. Really good too see it on film. Really was a great video, cheers for taking the time to film it all, shame there arnt more videos done as well on the web. |
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JasonEdward
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Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 8:09am |
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Excellent! Nice work Pete! Thanks for this very field useful real world video.
Classic work from you Pete with excellent attention to detail. And I now understand why you've done a lot of work with slugs...and how valuable the time taken for autopsies really is.
Kruza, also classic is your analysing animal behaviour - I too was trying to figure out what was going on in those bunny brains. It was almost like they heard the shot -giving a WTF reaction with an instinct to get low then perhaps perceiving the pellet coming resulting in a leap and bolt away from the projectile. And your hands on long range target research is also great.
Pete and Kruza, you guys should get together and write a bunny book. You both come from different angles to some very interesting observations.
Your threads are my favourites - "You gotta be out there..." for game observation and various threads from Pete about hands on field ballistics including the excellent "JSB Knockout" thread and your efforts to reduce stray pellets/slugs from fully penetrating animals is a credit to you given it means better and safer service for your clients.
Thanks again guys for your inspiring information from a would be bunny shooter.
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 8:53am |
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If you go out to shoot rabbits, you are a rabbit shooter jason.
Skill level has nought to do with it. Its the action of doing it. Im hoping you and others will one day start putting up more shooting experiences. All hunting adventures are great, especially those that show the reality of shooting. People who are getting into it often can provide information and ask questions that are valuable to ppl who are in the same position, notice or do things that others may not have. Same with pellet testing and scopes,rifle info etc. Pete's work on pellets has been great (God knows i couldn't be bothered doing that sort of detailed tracking of a pellet through a rabbit. (I get over just skinning them)and adds another layer of understanding to what ive formed on actual real life senario, which i hold above any another type. Example would be the .22 hares shot in his video. From that the question of does a hades makes a louder sound cutting through air than a strait deablo head is something im now curious about. Do it,write about it, you never know who will gleen info out of it Jason. Pete you going to do slugs? Even though i cant use them in my springer that would be really interested in that too. |
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