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kruzaroad
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Topic: 2024 NationalsPosted: 29 Oct 2024 at 10:01am |
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Wow that's huge magnification at those distances!
I can see why you could have trouble finding target. I'm guessing that ffp scopes aren't in use to much for ftt, the cross hairs would be like pencils at those higher mags. |
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nunga
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 9:52am |
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MY scope is 8-32x56 and that is considered entry level. Most use 10-50x60 at a min All the targets have a hole in the middle. There is a plate behind the hole. you have to shoot through the hole. That hits the plate and knocks the target over. Hitting anywhere other than through this hole will not knock the target over. You get 1 point for knocking the target over. No point if you do not knock the target over. Yes it is max 55 yards. The target has a hole size of 40mm at 55 yards. and the closer targets have smaller holes down to 12mm depending how far away you are.
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 8:44am |
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I didn't think that at all about ftt comment. It just amused me as when doing pest control they use a scope that adjusts for height automatically. It's no reflection on them as shooters nor does it say or imply that they can't shoot,range find and be totally successful with a standard scope. It was pest controllers remark that amused me, as the scopes that are being used for that aren't ftt scopes as they run range finders and ballistic apps.
That is all I was saying. I have no dought with the amount of critters they shoot that they would outshoot me in the field with a standard scope, if they have the range and hold over sussed. None of us are doing anything you can't do, I have no dought will be doing if not already. I'm not anyone to admire. I'm a standard bloke, doing unimpressive things and writing about them. Not worth your admiration, the others you can admire as much as you like. But me nah. |
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 8:23am |
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I don't dial I hold over. So no time wasted there.
At ten meters a hare head is 10.25 mildots (real world data, not app) at 10x zoom. (Actually on any zoom as ffp scope) that's half the scope. It's lowest mag is 6x. When coming onto target I have both eyes open as it pulls the scope on line with where your looking. So,find target, adjust distance, adjust zoom, find hold over and windage, shoot. 14x zoom is my usual for 60m± I have a 6x24 scope and that's to much. How much magnification do you use in ftt? Wasn't it 55 yards max? You have to hit the target bull but where on that doesn't matter? Edited by kruzaroad - 29 Oct 2024 at 8:56am |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 8:21am |
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Kruzaroad, I hope you didn't think my comment "show FTT how a pro pest destructer can shoot" was implying Pete or anyone else can show any FTT shooter how it's done. I am in no position to do that and wouldn't in any circumstances - I am in awe of just about everything all of you regular posters to the forum are doing. Frankly, more than anything I'm having a nudge at Peter to give it a shot and would encourage anyone who can shoot to do so. I'd have a go myself but not before I had a lot of practice - it would be a waste of time with both my gear and my skills but as I said, a huge goal for me would be getting so I could hit even a few FTT targets especially in the wind. On the other hand, if I was pest shooting or even pot hunting, hell yes, I'd use anything i could afford. And I admire you for often taking the harder path in your shooting and for getting out there regardless of having a gun with you or or not. I'd be surprised if many have your knowledge of the game in the farms you shoot. You might think my comments re your field skills with nature are either bullsh*t flattery or taking the piss, but you would be 100% wrong. I admire anyone who spends so much time in the field - greenie pseudo-scientists who hate anyone who kill anything have forgotten that it is the hunters and fishermen that were the first naturalist and the first to know anything much at all about the outdoors and what they hunt. I'm also happy to admit that I'm a reader and wanna-be much more than a doer but I'd like to change that... :-) |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 6:17am |
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The problem with that system is your field of view. these high power scopes dont have a very wide angle and it would take way to long to find the target. then by the time you dial it in and adjust the clicks the animal would probably be long gone.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 6:11am |
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We use high power magnification scopes like Paul said. To explain it a little better we first set up on a nice bright day with the new scope. Next we place markers out at set distances. Then you use the big side wheels on the scope to focus to that marker which you would have already measured to the set distance. Once it is in focus you know the distance of that marker. You then make a mark on the side wheel so you know the distance. you do this from 55 yards down to 10 yards. Next you set your zero. This is the zero on the turret. to do this i normally set mine at 30 yards. So you put a target out to 30 yards I normally have a4 paper and draw a line from left to right...focus your scope to make sure it is right. then shoot at the target till you are hitting the line. Then set your scope turret to zero. Then figure out your click chart. To do this place your target at each distance you think you will need then shoot at it while adjusting your clicks on the turret till you are hitting your line and then right the number of clicks it took to get there. You can also use software for this as well. So when you are out in the field just focus on the target, check the distance on your side wheel and the adjust your clicks to suit and you "should" be bang on.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 6:04am |
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I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos. That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it. I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work. Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation. Both mute points to direct at me |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 4:56am |
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I'll take you seriously Kruz, but no, you have to do that yourself. While there's no restrictions on scopes, apart from automated range finders, FT generally uses a large mag and objective scope so that you can determine the range by focusing the scope. The short field of focus picks out details that come into focus and then you can reference that to distance noted marks on the focus wheel.Generally then you dial in the elevation, but some may holdover.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 4:50am |
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Will you put up results? I guess I can go to NZFTA forum for that though.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 4:18am |
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Earl got 3rd in 12lbs springer after a shoot off. I cant remember what he got in PCP which is bad on my part because i added up all the score cards lol. Rob first in 12lbs springer and got second in 12lbs PCP
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 2:52am |
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Your not allowed scopes that aim for you in ftt.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 2:48am |
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Cheers Nunga,
Keep up the good work organising FTT events and shooting those springers. It was great to both meet you and Pete and see some sharp shooters in action. I learnt some from you two re standing shooting and of course how FTT works - I reckon I'd be doing well scoring hits on the target backplates of any but the closest targets. And frankly I'd be shooting at my best prone to consistently hit the closest targets, let alone on the gusty windy weekend day that plagued the competitors and must have made the long shot hits a bit of a lottery. So getting anywhere that standard for me is likely a ... ahem ... long shot ... or at least ... ahem ... something to aim for...makes me realise I need to sell my larger boat and free up space for a 25, maybe even 30 -30 meter target range in my back yard. Pete, I reckon you need to get off your legs and onto the ground a bit more with those rifles then come and show FTT how a pro pest destructer can shoot. (No pressure mate. Actually that's bullsh*t - just do it mate!) So a good day out cut short as I had to go plant some spuds and get organised for some work today but I highly recommend a visit to a FTT event. Plenty of friendly people, impressive rifles with varied add ons for keeping them still while shooting, some serious glass on top of them, and you're bound to learn something. Next time I'll try and stay for the BBQ... |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 2:46am |
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Great to see a good crew there.
How did Earl and Rob do? They will be getting some good shooting time in for the worlds in USA coming uo. |
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Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 4:36pm |
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Was good to meet you guys.
Next step is to arrange a forum weekend away somewhere for a bit of a shoot and a braai and a beer. In that order of course 😉 |
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