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Topic: 2024 Nationals
Posted By: nunga
Subject: 2024 Nationals
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2024 at 12:56pm
Piako Air Rifle and Pistol Ass invites you to compete in the National Field Target Championship
held over Labour Weekend 2024 at the registered Air rifle range, 569 Tauhei Road Morrinsville.

WHEN: Saturday 26th – Sunday 27th October 2024

WHERE: Piako Air Rifle Range 569 Tauhei Road Morrinsville

WHAT: 50 Knockdown targets – [15mm, 25mm, 40mm hit zones] – [10m-50m]
REGISTER BY: Sunday 13th October (1 day $25, 2 days $40, after 13th Oct $30/day)
SATURDAY 26tht OCTOBER: Spring Piston SUNDAY 27th OCTOBER: PCP
TIMING: 8:30am Gates open, sign in and equipment validation 9:00am - 9:45am Sighting in range
open 9:45am -10am Briefing 10am Competition start. BBQ & Prize giving to follow each day

SPECIAL NOTES:
∙ NZAFTA Field Target Rules apply, please ensure you are familiar with these rules. You can find
them at https://nzfieldtarget.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/nzafta-comprehensive-rules-2023-3.pdf
∙ All PCP shooters must carry a current FAL & present when required (e.g. signing in)
∙ Maximum rifle power is 28ftlb for High Power & 12ftlb for International categories.
∙ Your equipment will be validated after signing in on the day of competition. This will include rifle
chronograph test and accessories compliance check. Please check the rules for what is allowed.
∙ Your rifle will be chronograph tested again during competition.
∙ The course will be altered between day one and day two.
∙ Eligibility: Competitors must be a member of an NZAFTA affiliated club to be eligible for National
prizes.
∙ Veteran Champion and Lady Champion will be determined from best score from any
International or HP category from either day.
∙ The WAG MANN Cup for top team will be decided by most points comprising of 1) a spring
piston score [Int or HP] 2) a PCP Int score and 3) a PCP HP score from a given club [must be 3
different shooters]
∙ No refunds for non-attendance.



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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014






Replies:
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2024 at 11:03pm
Hi Nunga,

I’m not much a field target shooter, but I wouldn’t mind giving it a go… 👍🏻
Do you know if this event is open to newbies? If I was to shoot, it would be purely for fun and just for the experiance for me.

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2024 at 11:16pm
Thanks Ian,  I will certainly consider coming up. I do miss shooting FT.

Join the club Pete, I reckon you'd like it. 


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2024 at 8:05am
From what i understand pete you can shoot but your score will not count if you are not a member of a club. I will confirm this later and get back to you.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2024 at 6:57pm
Pete, yes you can shoot. It would be best if you could come to a shoot before the nats so you can get familiar with the rules and how things work. We are having a club shoot this sunday. You are more than welcome to come and take a look. just ask for Alex or myself and you will be well taken care of.

Paul, you should come. it would be good to catch up with you again, its been a while.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2024 at 4:37pm
Thanks Nunga.

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2024 at 3:33pm
Who's going to this? I'm thinking i might go for a look-see and it would be good to touch base with some of you ... and maybe a beer after at a Morrinsville bar?


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2024 at 4:52pm
I would love to, but i just cant get there with the travel and time involved.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2024 at 7:25pm
I will be there.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2024 at 9:46pm
Hi Nunga,
What time does things kick off on Saturday and Sunday?
I might pop in just to say hi and see what’s going on, watch some pro shooters in action 😉

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 10:02am
If any of you guys going to this, and providing it's allowed be keen on seeing a few pics and updates as the days progress.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by RangerPete RangerPete wrote:

Hi Nunga,
What time does things kick off on Saturday and Sunday?
I might pop in just to say hi and see what’s going on, watch some pro shooters in action 😉

 Shooting starts at 10am. should be all done by 3pm ish... maybe a little later if there are delays due to target problems or if there is a shoot off. Ive booked a motel down there so i will be there both days.

Saturday is Spring gun. Sunday PCP. 

All are welcome.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

If any of you guys going to this, and providing it's allowed be keen on seeing a few pics and updates as the days progress.


No problem with photos. But there is no mobile coverage there. You might get lucky in some spots but it is not the best. so no updates possible throughout the day... But can update Saturday night if you guys are interested


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 2:13pm
I am definitely. Sure others will be. Most of us spend plenty of time on the 🎯.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 3:15pm
Okay then i shall take my laptop with me and upload some pictures of the days shoot. Not sure how many photos i will be able to take as my main goal will be knocking down targets...

Sunday will be better as i am not shooting and will be free to annoy everyone lol

Well good news on my part is....Putting my work off till next week and spending the day tinkering with my rifle seems to have done the trick.

I have securely fixed the stock to the gun and the hamster is also solidly  mounted to the stock. I zeroed my gun in again and i found if i use my reading glasses when range finding it is once again on the mark and my old click chart is accurate once again


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 3:35pm
What's the weather like up that way.
You may have some challenging conditions tomorrow.
So you shooting strait and amped up to kick a bit of butt?
I won't say good luck for tomorrow, cause luck ain't got Jack to do with it
But keen eye, sweet trigger pulling, and well placed shots to you tomorrow. Here's hoping you whip the competition   tomorrow.
But I imagine just being there socially and competing is a reward within itself.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 4:25pm
Well i havent shot competitively since 2022 I got 2nd place at the nationals back then so we shall see how tomorrow plays out.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2024 at 7:45pm
Best of luck because a little luck never hurts.

Unless the weather's too foul I'll come for a look tomorrow.
I'm interested to see you people who know what they are doing.

I'll be the fat old bastard with my Canon trying not to get in the way.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 8:02am
Should be fun shooting today. Lowest humidity for Morrisville ( according to web) 75% from 11am to 3pm , 19km to 26km winds through day, 5% chance of rain most of day at .25mm for most hourly sections.
Not extreme but enough to be testing in skills and creating weird wind eddies and directions around trees and objects.
Should be a fun day.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 9:33am
I hope you go well. Are you shooting high power springer or sub 12 ft/lb?

I have shot at Piako and it was a windy day then. Kruz you would enjoy the whole wind judging thing. Hitting a 40 mm killzone at 50 m after holding off for windage is very satisfying when the target drops. That clink of the target is rewarding.

I quite like this guys videos on FT. Dispite everyone having their own style, there are good pointers here.
https://youtu.be/S-13Xjrap_Q?si=t0zWHD0Yd8pH2Ky-

 Photos would be great too. 


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 9:46am
I do Pauly. As I say in one of the long distance videos, your not learning to shoot if you don't shoot in the wind. I'll be doing it all again soon if the aa work better in gun this time. ( More like, if I'm shooting the gun better at a heavy weight pellet now I'm more use to the 97)
I'm always target shooting ( except with this arm at moment) wind is way more fun than still days.
These ftt really suprised me in the wind. I was expecting way more windage effect off them.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 4:00pm
yeah shooting high power. the wind was so strong today. had a really bad day. only managed 3rd place. I will post sone photos when i get back to the motel. first its time for a cold one.

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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 4:55pm
Top three is great, unless only 3 competed. Congrats on that.
Can't say I'd fancy having to lob a .177 around in high wind.
Look forward to the pics.


Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 6:06pm
Well done Nunga  - you're on the podium mate!


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 2:39pm
Lovely sunny day, just a bit windy 😉



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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 2:42pm
Do they have anything in the trees higher up or is it all low level?


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 6:18pm
We used to have them up in the trees. But with the new range regulations it was unpractical to do this because of the COF rules and also the reset strings were a problem due to the fact that when you pulled on the string it didnt reset the target because the string was on the wrong angle to the target.


It was good to meet you guys today. I hope you enjoyed it.

Here are some photos. I was a little busy to take more but im waiting for more to be sent to me and ill post them up when they arrive.






















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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 10:36pm
Was good to meet you guys.
Next step is to arrange a forum weekend away somewhere for a bit of a shoot and a braai and a beer. In that order of course 😉

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 8:46am
Great to see a good crew there.

How did Earl and Rob do? They will be getting some good shooting time in for the worlds in USA coming uo.




Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 8:48am
Cheers Nunga,
Keep up the good work organising FTT events and shooting those springers.

It was great to both meet you and Pete and see some sharp shooters in action.
I learnt some from you two re standing shooting and of course how FTT works - I reckon I'd be doing well scoring hits on the target backplates of any but the closest targets. And frankly I'd be shooting at my best prone to consistently hit the closest targets, let alone on the gusty windy weekend day that plagued the competitors and must have made the long shot hits a bit of a lottery.

So getting anywhere that standard for me is likely a ... ahem ... long shot ... or at least ... ahem ... something to aim for...makes me realise I need to sell my larger boat and free up space for a 25, maybe even 30 -30 meter target range in my back yard. 

Pete, I reckon you need to get off your legs and onto the ground a bit more with those rifles then come and show FTT how a pro pest destructer can shoot. (No pressure mate. Actually that's bullsh*t - just do it mate!)

So a good day out cut short as I had to go plant some spuds and get organised for some work today but I highly recommend a visit to a FTT event. Plenty of friendly people, impressive rifles with varied add ons for keeping them still while shooting, some serious glass on top of them, and you're bound to learn something.  Next time I'll try and stay for the BBQ...


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 8:52am
Your not allowed scopes that aim for you in ftt.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

Great to see a good crew there.

How did Earl and Rob do? They will be getting some good shooting time in for the worlds in USA coming uo.




Earl got 3rd in 12lbs springer after a shoot off. I cant remember what he got in PCP which is bad on my part because i added up all the score cards lol. Rob first in 12lbs springer and got second in 12lbs PCP


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 10:50am
Originally posted by nunga nunga wrote:

Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

Great to see a good crew there.

How did Earl and Rob do? They will be getting some good shooting time in for the worlds in USA coming uo.




Earl got 3rd in 12lbs springer after a shoot off. I cant remember what he got in PCP which is bad on my part because i added up all the score cards lol. Rob first in 12lbs springer and got second in 12lbs PCP

Will you put up results? I guess I can go to NZFTA forum for that though.  


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 10:56am
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Your not allowed scopes that aim for you in ftt.

I'll take you seriously Kruz, Tongue but no, you have to do that yourself.  While there's no restrictions on scopes, apart from automated range finders, FT generally uses a large mag and objective scope so that you can determine the range by focusing the scope. The short field of focus picks out details that come into focus and then you can reference that to distance noted marks on the focus wheel.

Generally then you dial in the elevation, but some may holdover.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:04pm
I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:11pm
We use high power magnification scopes like Paul said. To explain it a little better we first set up on a nice bright day with the new scope. Next we place markers out at set distances. Then you use the big side wheels on the scope to focus to that marker which you would have already measured to the set distance. Once it is in focus you know the distance of that marker. You then make a mark on the side wheel so you know the distance. you do this from 55 yards down to 10 yards.

Next you set your zero. This is the zero on the turret. to do this i normally set mine at 30 yards. So you put a target out to 30 yards I normally have a4 paper and draw a line from left to right...focus your scope to make sure it is right. then shoot at the target till you are hitting the line. Then set your scope turret to zero.

Then figure out your click chart. To do this place your target at each distance you think you will need then shoot at it while adjusting your clicks on the turret till you are hitting your line and then right the number of clicks it took to get there. You can also use software for this as well.

So when you are out in the field just focus on the target, check the distance on your side wheel and the adjust your clicks to suit and you "should" be bang on.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me


The problem with that system is your field of view. these high power scopes dont have a very wide angle and it would take way to long to find the target. then by the time you dial it in and adjust the clicks the animal would probably be long gone.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me


Kruzaroad,

I hope you didn't think my comment "show FTT how a pro pest destructer can shoot" was implying Pete or anyone else can show any FTT shooter how it's done. I am in no position to do that and wouldn't in any circumstances - I am in awe of just about everything all of you regular posters to the forum are doing.

Frankly, more than anything I'm having a nudge at Peter to give it a shot and would encourage anyone who can shoot to do so. I'd have a go myself but not before I had a lot of practice - it would be a waste of time with both my gear and my skills but as I said, a huge goal for me would be getting so I could hit even a few FTT targets especially in the wind.  On the other hand, if I was pest shooting or even pot hunting, hell yes, I'd use anything i could afford.

And I admire you for often taking the harder path in your shooting and for getting out there regardless of having a gun with you or or not. I'd be surprised if many have your knowledge of the game in the farms you shoot.

You might think my comments re your field skills with nature are either bullsh*t flattery or taking the piss, but you would be 100% wrong. I admire anyone who spends so much time in the field - greenie pseudo-scientists who hate anyone who kill anything have forgotten that it is the hunters and fishermen that were the first naturalist and the first to know anything much at all about the outdoors and what they hunt.

I'm also happy to admit that I'm a reader and wanna-be much more than a doer but I'd like to change that... :-)


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 2:23pm
I don't dial I hold over. So no time wasted there.
At ten meters a hare head is 10.25 mildots (real world data, not app) at 10x zoom. (Actually on any zoom as ffp scope) that's half the scope. It's lowest mag is 6x.
When coming onto target I have both eyes open as it pulls the scope on line with where your looking.
So,find target, adjust distance, adjust zoom, find hold over and windage, shoot.
14x zoom is my usual for 60m±
I have a 6x24 scope and that's to much. How much magnification do you use in ftt?
Wasn't it 55 yards max?
You have to hit the target bull but where on that doesn't matter?



Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 2:44pm
I didn't think that at all about ftt comment. It just amused me as when doing pest control they use a scope that adjusts for height automatically. It's no reflection on them as shooters nor does it say or imply that they can't shoot,range find and be totally successful with a standard scope. It was pest controllers remark that amused me, as the scopes that are being used for that aren't ftt scopes as they run range finders and ballistic apps.
That is all I was saying. I have no dought with the amount of critters they shoot that they would outshoot me in the field with a standard scope, if they have the range and hold over sussed.
None of us are doing anything you can't do, I have no dought will be doing if not already.
I'm not anyone to admire. I'm a standard bloke, doing unimpressive things and writing about them. Not worth your admiration, the others you can admire as much as you like.
But me nah.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:


I have a 6x24 scope and that's to much. How much magnification do you use in ftt?
Wasn't it 55 yards max?
You have to hit the target bull but where on that doesn't matter?



MY scope is 8-32x56 and that is considered entry level. Most use 10-50x60 at a min

All the targets have a hole in the middle. There is a plate behind the hole.  you have to shoot through the hole. That hits the plate and knocks the target over.

Hitting anywhere other than through this hole will not knock the target over. You get 1 point for knocking the target over. No point if you do not knock the target over.

Yes it is max 55 yards. The target has a hole size of 40mm at 55 yards. and the closer targets have smaller holes down to 12mm depending how far away you are.


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2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014





Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 4:01pm
Wow that's huge magnification at those distances!
I can see why you could have trouble finding target. I'm guessing that ffp scopes aren't in use to much for ftt, the cross hairs would be like pencils at those higher mags.



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