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    Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 9:38am
Ran through 3 types pellets at lower  volicity.
 Set up: gun 1322. 10 pumps. 10m.
 Target: 4 layers of gel shoe insole, wrapped in masking tape. 
 Pellets. 2 each shot into gel.
 Left: h&n field target trophy 
 Middle: gamo red fire. (shot 2, don't know where second went.)
Right jsb hades.

 Pellets in pic retrieve from gel.
 None penetrated all 4 layers. Missing gamo redfire also never made it through tape at back.
 Data:
 Field target trophy :
 14.66gr
  466fps 
  7.07ft.lb (9.59 joules)
 One had turned 180° in gel
 Gamo redfire : 
 15.42gr 
 451fps
 6.97ft.lb (9.45 joules)
 Jsb hades :
 14.66gr 
 451fps 
 7.16ft.lb ( 9.71 joules)
 I'll add more as I do them over time. 
 Anyone else who wants to add please do. 
 
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Great report. I really like your idea of using gel shoe inserts for ballistic gel. Good one!

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That was inspired geniuses with the gel, created by the fact after cutting it up for lining the aircheif stock, I relised I hadn't taken the cocking arm into account and it wouldn't fit as I thought. So about then the gel shoe liner target came into existence. I seriously didn't think it would work that well.
 As you get 2 in box might have to make a thicker one to try with rifle. 
 Appwntly the stuff you can get to make those soft body fishing lures is great. Haven't been able to find any in nz yet. Can be got from USA. 
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 sig asp 20.  .177
 Distance 20m / 21.87yards.
Air arms deablo field heavy: 10.3 gr /. 670grm
Velocity :899fps / 274mps
 Muzzle energy: 18.49 ft.lb/ 25.07 joules
Retained volicity @ target:
 887.30fps / 270.45mps
 Energy at target:
18.01 ft.lb / 24.42 joules 
 4 layers gel innersoles taped to 2 litre bottle of water. 

 So three shots were fired. 
 First 2 through the gel and into the milk bottle. Both passed strait through everything. 
 Third shot was through milk bottle and into the gel. It caught between the first and second layer, with its skirt in first and head in second layer. 
 The skirt was deformed, everything else was great. 
 By then milk bottle was draining out and left it at that. 
 
 
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same set up as above.
 Made another 4 layer gel pad taped one either side of milk bottle full of water,10m, passed strait through. 
 Made a 8 layer gel target. 124 grams, 50.40mm thick.
 37m just sitting on a fence post, was still passing strait through.. Gel was bouncing a foot back but not with any force. 
 So got a chicken thigh bone taped it horizontal in center of gel block, thinking it would deflect up or down.
 
Target: 15m / 16.4yards
 Velocity at target: 890. 27fps /  271.35 m/s
 Energy at target: 18.13ft.lb / 24.58j
 Pellet stopped 6 layers in




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did 80m with a chicken breast bone taped to gel . Which in turn was taped to 11mm thick pine skirting length. Blew thew skirting. 


 2 shots passed strait threw, where the layers weren't full near the edges. 
 Anything labeled B is the pellet that hit bone .  Others caught in gel only. 
 
The other 4 of the gel pads were facing gel towards shooter. 

 These pellets in my view are simply a hole punch. I've not seen any expansion results that impress me. 
 Doesn't impart any energy dumping in soft bone or tissue. 
 I still find it a good pellet in this gun. But would seem a bit harder mix of metal than I thought. 
 Got a tin of exact, wonder if they are softer. 
 
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I do t think the exact will be any softer then the AA.
I know JSB claim they use separate and different dies for the AA pellets, so they MIGHT be ever so slightly different head or skirt size, but I don’t believe JSB melt up different batches lead with different ratios of tin and Antiminny for different customers. I recon they use a standard recipe, melted in huge caldrons and make hundereds of tons of lead wire which is used for any and all pellets they produce.
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or as they change dies for runs of differnt pellets brands , they just adjust the metal mixtures for the lead wire for that run.
 I cant see some one like fx or air arms developing a pellet/slug to expand or deform a certain way, then going to jbs who say, yep not a problem but you can't have that deformation as you have to use our mix of lead, even though we can mix it to your specs as we produce our lead wire.

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You’re doing great work testing pellets. Keep it up.

Pellets and airguns are strange bedfellows. I’ve seen airguns that like one particular brand but when the batch changes they hate them. A good example is my FWB Sport. It absolutely hated JSB then this year I got a batch manufactured in 2022 and it just loves them.
My HW97 loved JSB dated 2018 but with the 2022 batch I couldn’t hit a barn door at 10 paces.
I know guys who swear by AA. More likely it’s just a particular batch their gun likes rather than the brand.

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well I had written a blurb with facts and figures, but got lost between changing screens. So f it cant be bothered rewriting.
 Basic out line. I think air rifles will like a type of pellet by a supplier more than others. Probly others of that weight and style. But my guns have a definite prefrance. (hence where facts and figures were)
 I'll keep testing slowly. Would really like to see other ppl doing it as well. 
 I'm not going to cover a lot, more the better data set we have. 
 CHICKEN BONES ARNT HARD TO GET! You'll find them at the end of every roast chicken dinner. 
 Don't have gel? Try a couple of milk bottles filled with water tapped together. But really I could do the help, and I'd like to see other results from differnt pellets at differnt fpe. 
 Have been toying with idea of hollowing out a alloy and replacing with lead. I have a sneaking suspicion that the lead will turn into a shower of fragments as it punches through the alloy on contact with the target. 
 
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Using plumbers putty for pellet trap.
Good trap too. Could suit those into testing for expansion.

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Jsb/cometa exact heavy 10.34gr
20m
Sig .177
Muzzle energy and stuff on AA test. Same weight pellet.
Stuff on pellet head bone it carried into gel.
Stopped 6 layers in.
Two shots fired, one just nicked bone and passed all way through gel.2nd hit square on and shattered it. Chicken thigh bone.
Try 80m when wind and heat have died down.


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Had a crack at 80m but wind is just too temperamental.
Had a thigh bone on top of breast bone, pellets kept hitting to side of thigh bone try again later if wind dies down.
Jsb/cometa exact heavy 10.34gr
80m.
Sig. 177
data per AA test.
Bone it went through is really thin like two playing cards thick.
Deformation not worth mentioning.
2 pellets caught in 4th layer one in 5th.
20m for comparison.
The grooves are filling out nicely with the skirt and the lands are just marking the heads so that's all good.
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Testing is always very interesting.
I recon we could have a dedicated pellet testing section on the forum, under reviews - pellet testing.
There should be a standard info format at the start of each review that in includes:
Airgun make, model
Caliber
Pellet make
Model
Weight
Muzzel velocity
Distance to target
Target medium.
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Kruza wrote:
Have been toying with idea of hollowing out an alloy and replacing with lead. I have a sneaking suspicion that the lead will turn into a shower of fragments as it punches through the alloy on contact with the target.

I didn’t quite follow your thinking, are u talking about drilling out the front (making a hollow point, which is a bit of an oxymoron), or drilling out from the back into the skirt?

With my experience from powder burning bullets that use solids made from monolothic brass, copper, and even aluminum, and different construction techniques using harder metals combined with lead, u can either use the harder metal for controlling the expansion of the lead, or u can use the lead to add weight to the alloy for penetration.

If you drill out the front and make an alloy pellet into a hollow point, then fill the hollow point with lead, you will effectively have made a soft nose pellet.
When fired one of two things will happen: depending on the thickness of the walls of the alloy “cup” holding the lead, they could open up, deform, and give controlled expansion of the lead as the pellet penetrates and dumps its energy into the target, (this would be perfect pellet performance), OR, the lead and the alloy will separate on impact, the lump of lead will penetrate the target and the lighter alloy pellet will penetrate less (or not at all).

If you drill out the back of the pellet and fill it with lead, you have created a heavy alloy pellet, effectively a “solid”.
The alloy is very hard (but not brittle) and will not deform when it hits hard bone, and with the weight of the lead pushing it, it should penetrate like a MoFo!
I dont think the lead will smash through the head of the alloy pellet, u can’t use a soft metal to break through a harder metal, I think it will all hold together and just keep penetrating.

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