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Kris 
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 Posted: 18 hours 1 minutes ago at 4:59pm |
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Hey Paul, yeah a really cool gun, yes it's got a LW barrel, but with my question I've realized I need to shell out plenty more than I'd initially thought. Regarding compressor,
Not sure if I shoot enough to justify the expense. I've just built a 2240 with the same a 10.1 inch LW barrel and 2 stage trigger group as the 1701p, which is inanely accurate, I've applied for a Permit to Import for the 1701p which is valid for 12 months so hopefully I've won lotto by then, Kris |
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Kris
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Posted: 17 hours 55 minutes ago at 5:05pm |
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Where abouts do you shoot in Nelson/Richmond?
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Mintie
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Posted: 17 hours 41 minutes ago at 5:19pm |
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For a small air tank like a PCP pistol a hand pump is fine. Cheap as chips and easy enough to pump it up, the problem with using a hand pump is more if you are filling bigger tanks to higher pressure - they become a painful exercise!
Most PCP pistols are about 50cc and usually only 200-250 bar, some PCP rifles are up to 700cc and 300bar which is a totally different story. Having said that a compressor is a great investment and once you have it there is little barrier to buying more PCP's. I have been running a Yong Heng for the last 4 years or so and it has been fantastic! It is happy to fill up bottles or do direct gun fills. I had a few Tuxing and other brands in the past but they were all trouble. The YH one is under $1000 landed and will last a long time. |
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Kris
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Posted: 17 hours 32 minutes ago at 5:28pm |
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The crosman I'm looking at is like 65cc from memory, so a pump my be my cheaper option, 😎👍
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Grey Kiwi
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Posted: 17 hours 28 minutes ago at 5:32pm |
Saxton Field indoor range. It's 25 yards. I have asked about pistol shooting in there and am waiting on a reply as there are a few of us who want to shoot pistols too.
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RangerPete
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Posted: 17 hours 20 minutes ago at 5:40pm |
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I know nothing about home compressors, other than that they give trouble and need servicing and oil and filters… 😂😂😂😂
Being an ex scuba diver I know a lot about tanks. I have 3 pcp rifles and I’d say I shoot quite a bit, so I went for a second hand 14L steel tank (the biggest you can get), which cost me $400. What does a home compressor cost? I shoot 3 or 4 nights a week and get the tank topped up when it gets down to 180 bar, which is about every 3 or 4 months. The dive shop in Hamilton charges me 5 or 10$ to top it up, depending on who’s on the till. $30 sounds like a complete fill. remember that divers suck it empty (down to about 50 bar), when I take it in it just needs a top up from 180 back to 210. The thing that worries me the most about home compressors is moisture getting pumped into your rifle. Maybe it’s a problem, maybe it’s not… I don’t know. But the reason commercial compressors at the dive shop cost 50k is because they dry the air before pumping it into the tank, so the tank dosent rust from the inside. That’s why they need to be inspected annually. How many of us send our pcp tanks/bottles in to get inspected every now and then…??? I guess if your rifle has a fancy carbon fiber bottle it’s not a problem. Kris, if you are only intending to pump a small cylinder on a pistol, a hand pump might actually be an option. What pressure does it require? I used to hand pump my HW100 rifle to 200bar…. Those last few pumps to get up to 200 were almost impossible 😂 How long does a home compressor take to fill a rifle from 100 to 200 or 220bar? 20min? My dive tank takes about 30 seconds. If I go away for a weekend (like the upcoming forum social weekend) I just put it on the back seat of my truck and I could fill everyone’s rifles, twice a day, every day. A home compressor would run your car battery flat in 20min, or cost u a bit in petrol to keep ideling for a few hours 😉 Pros and cons to each, I guess u just need to find the one that fits you. |
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KiwiTR6
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Posted: 17 hours 18 minutes ago at 5:42pm |
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I'll be very surprised if they issue a permit for you to import a PCP pistol. I applied to import a single shot pistol for target shooting after having already imported several PCP rifles and they turned me down. I appealed the decision and they again declined telling me I could further appeal through the District Court. A rough estimate of the cost to do this was around $2k without engaging a lawyer, with no guarantee I'd be successful. The pistol was only worth $700 landed so I flagged it. IMHO, the Police use this mechanism to prevent the importation of these as they're (currently) not subject to to the legislative requirements of rifle ownership.
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Mintie
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Posted: 16 hours 52 minutes ago at 6:08pm |
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Pete - The compressor cost was under $1000 to get to my door, plus about $60 for some oil and I ended up spending a little more on some extra cooling gear. that was 4 years ago and it has been more or less maintenance free since then. I run it through a drying filter and all my PCP's have been clean inside when I am doing seals etc so I am happy the air quality is good.
In terms of fill time it depends what you are filling, the drying filter itself is about 400cc so the way I tend to do it is to fill one of my tanks (think the big one is 6L) and when it gets close to full I will then connect each of my rifles to the tank to top them off, that way I am not wasting the 400cc filter purge for each rifle. If I was to just direct top up my Uragan from 150-300bar it would only take less than 2 mins to fill it. To top up the 6l tank from 150bar to 300 takes less than10 mins from memory. The biggest advantage to me is the fill pressure, most of my PCP's fill to 300bar and get a lot of shots from 300bar down to the 220bar which is the max most dive shops will fill a bottle to, which becomes much more evident when the bottle starts to drop off down to 180bar etc. My Matador will get 120ish shots @ 33fpe from 300bar, but if I was limited to a 200bar fill that would probably only be 60 shots which makes a huge difference. This of course becomes even more important if you start talking about air hungry big bores that only get 3-5 shots per fill! KiwiTR6 - How long ago was that permit refused? They eased up on the permit approvals for them about 8 months ago, I recently imported 2 Evanix Rex pistols (.25 and .30) and had no questions asked.
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Kris
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Posted: 16 hours 21 minutes ago at 6:39pm |
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My Daughter shoots there on a Monday nights, I've asked about pistols at Saxons but was told that the range isn't "Certified" for pistols.
But count me in on any pistol shoots, I'm in Atawhai Kris |
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KiwiTR6
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Posted: 14 hours 53 minutes ago at 8:07pm |
It was about 12 months ago and I have seen a few being sold recently by Gun City. Figured they'd found a way around it but my interest in pistols has waned since then, I much prefer using rifles.
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Pauly5
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Posted: 4 hours 34 minutes ago at 6:26am |
Slightly off subject, but Mintie, how do you disconnect the line and retain the pressure in the air dryer so you can fill another gun? Did you get one of those EDgun ezifill things? |
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Grey Kiwi
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Posted: 3 hours 45 minutes ago at 7:15am |
I asked our main man Graeme, and he replied... "I raised the subject of Pistols with the executive. They seemed interested to discuss further, at least did not reject the idea. You would need to put together a plan of what you would want to do with some direction on how club would be administered etc. The first issue to be resolved is what are the requirements of the Firearm Safety Authority to establish a pistol club. or can you develop a relationship with Nelson Pistol Club??? At this stage the Association is not licensed to shoot pistols. You need to think about what target equipment you would need - the expectation is using target machines across the range". So it could happen but needs some planning/ideas. We should meet one day. |
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jwabfrog
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Posted: 2 hours 39 minutes ago at 8:21am |
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My five cents: I can vouch for the GX compressors, I had a CS4 which gave me no problems and sold that to buy another GX made compressor made to fill Airbow pneumatic nail guns. I use it to fill a 9 litre composite bottle. I top up the bottle and take the bottle with me when I go shooting.
As Mintie said there is a significant shot count advantage being able to fill to 300. You can get dive bottles rated to 300 bar which have a specific high pressure rated DIN valve, however not all dive shops can filll to 300. Most will do the standard 230 odd bar. SCBA tanks used by firefighters sometimes come up for sale and these are generally rated to 300 bar. They can be composite or steel. A fire station might be able to help with filling. If you can afford it I would go with a compressor, no hassle with testing dive tanks or dropping off tanks to be filled.
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Mintie
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Posted: 2 hours 29 minutes ago at 8:31am |
Haven't come up with a way to do that yet, the compressor doesn't have enough grunt to start while there is pressure in front of it so I don't think it would work anyway. Topping up all the PCP's while filling the bottle and using the bottles valve to stop having to purge the filter is the most efficient way I came up with. |
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