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Topic: PCP Questions
Posted By: Kris
Subject: PCP Questions
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 7:50pm
Hey all,
I'm thinking of getting a PCP pistol, can anyone please give me a PCP for dummies explanation of why the need to adjust the hammer travel length,
Also what do most people use to charge up their guns

KrisNZ



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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:54pm
Here's a animation of how a pcp rifle works. The auto dubbing is very robotic but the animation should give you a good idea of how the hammer works.
https://youtu.be/n8qrTADvK1A?si=dbWsTk4fsR-ymvvI
Im not a pcp shooter but from my understanding the harder the hammer hits the more time the valve is open to let the compressed air through to the barrel.. You can adjust the length/power of the hammer strike to adjust how much air gets through by how long the valve is open.
By being able to do this you can adjust the amount of power/air is pushing the pellet, allowing you to tune for best accuracy, speed/power of pellet.
Adjust it if you use a heavier or lighter pellet etc.
Someone more onto it can give you a better explanation but i believe thats the basic jist of it.


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 10:04pm
Hi Kris,

It is usually only the top end PCP’s that have adjustable hammer spring tension, or that you can tinker with the hammer weighs or transfer ports etc.
Most of the older PCP’s were not adjustable, the hammer weights and hammer spring tension etc were set from the factory, and usually shot very well just as they were, no adjusting necessary.

It’s only in recent years that manufacturers started adding all the adjustable “tuneable” features to guns, but honestly, the majority of air guns from decent manufacturers dont need to be fiddled with.

As far as refilling the gun, there are 3 options, and pros and cons to each.

1- manually pumping it up to 200, 230, 250 or 300 bar (depending on the make and model of gun)
I dont think there are any pros to manually pumping 🙈 other then its cheap. I wouldnt recommend it unless you were young, fit and stupid.
2- scuba tank. Get it filled from a dive shop, $5 or $10 for a top up, will last you months.
Pros- second hand dive tanks are not expensive. Portable. Cons- no good if you don’t have a local dive shop. Most scuba tanks are rated to 230bar, 300bar tanks are a bit more expensive. Most dive shops will only fill a tank to 220bar. Very few dive shops will pump to 300 bar. Having said that, very few guns can take 300bar, only newest/expensive models.
3- by your own compressor. Pros - some can pump up to 300bar. Cons- expensive and need maintence and services/filters etc. I think only the best/most expensive ones can dry the air so you don’t get moisture into your guns cylinder 🤔. Can only fill the gun if u have electricity.

Other guys will tell you their pros and cons to each system 👍🏻


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Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 8:30am
Thanks, so the closer the hammer to the valve, the longer the opening duration is? Make sense,
Thanks


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 8:32am
Thanks for that, yeah a mate said the hand pump was a waste of time, I'm old, so a scuba tank sound like the best option. Plenty of dive shops in Nelson,
Thanks


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 9:17am
I think its the other way around. The further back from the valve the hammer is, the more compressed the spring that drives the hammer forward is. That gives more compression on the spring hence more power. It also allows the a tad more travel to build up speed.
That means it hits the valve stem harder ( or just say the valve if your not sure where the valve stem fits in the picture)
The harder the valve is hit, the further back into the pressurized air it is pushed. That means the valve is open longer and more air can eacape into the barrel.
Note we are talking about tiny amounts of time this happens in. A few thousandths of a seconds open longer makes a difference to high pressure air escaping into the barrel.


Posted By: Grey Kiwi
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 2:36pm
I went through this a while ago, and decided that buying my own compressor was best.
I only fill direct to gun, but have a pump that will do a cylinder.
Firstly, a dive shop will only fill a certified tank, and that needs to certified every 12 months (?), then a more expensive test every 5 years (?).
In Richmond they quoted me $30 to fill or top up a tank. 
So...first I bought a GX CS4 compressor. Water cooled, 5+ hours run time, can run off 220 volts and 12 volts (portable).
But about a year later I decided to get something 'better' (maybe) and sold the CS4 to buy a Hills Evo-310 pump (ex UK).
The CS4 will pump up to 4500psi easily. The Hill's only 3000psi..but I only need 2000psi anyway.
Your options are a GX CS2, CS3, or CS4 really, and for the money I think the CS4 is better (CS2 and CS3 are air cooled but both also are 220v and 12v).
https://gxpumpofficial.com/


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 3:13pm
Whats the difference in size between a pcp pistol air cylinder and pcp rifle air cyclinder?


Posted By: Grey Kiwi
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 3:27pm
My rifle only has a 220cc cylinder (but it is single shot target rifle).
Huma Air has a PCP pistol with 480cc cylinder.



Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 4:30pm
For what you're doing this may be a good option.  We have a water-cooled version at our gun club which has been very reliable and gets quite a bit of use.  Limitations are that it runs on 220V and is not big enough to fill a storage cylinder that you may want to take with you.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004296712406.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.22.51047510BbVZoL&algo_pvid=cc429314-8a41-447b-91e8-817c69046e1e&algo_exp_id=cc429314-8a41-447b-91e8-817c69046e1e-21&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%22117%22%2C%22spu_best_type%22%3A%22price%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%2C%22fromPage%22%3A%22search%22%7D&pdp_npi=6%40dis%21NZD%21644.33%21322.17%21%21%21380.36%21190.18%21%40210311cc17700912506964777e8d12%2112000036119929497%21sea%21NZ%21168182036%21X%211%210%21n_tag%3A-29919%3Bd%3A51d2aeff%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895&curPageLogUid=Rufo3H7FJrhZ&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A%7Cx_object_id%3A1005004296712406%7C_p_origin_prod%3A

My own compressor that I use to fill a 10L bottle from which I then top up my guns is a water-cooled V-twin Tuxing.  It has been nothing but trouble and I've spent far too many hours carrying out repairs and replaced a lot of parts.  It recently cooked itself when the water pump failed so I've converted it to a 12V pump with a flow switch and relay so that the compressor pump will stop if there is no flow return from either another failed pump or a disconnected hose (which can happen if a head gasket leaks or fails). I bought it cheap off AE 2-3 years ago and suspect that it was a used pump housed in a new frame as it broke the inlet reed on the low pressure side in relatively short time.  The debris that went through and did a fair bit of damage.  I'll keep it though as I know it inside and out, the parts are plentiful and cheap and it does the job.

Even though we also have one of these at the club that is older than mine and has been pretty much trouble free, I wouldn't buy another or recommend it.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008047385036.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.6.36bbPZoSPZoSl5&algo_pvid=7292a2ea-efc8-4744-8a30-8607240f9496&algo_exp_id=7292a2ea-efc8-4744-8a30-8607240f9496-5&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%221%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%2C%22fromPage%22%3A%22search%22%7D&pdp_npi=6%40dis%21NZD%211321.74%211070.60%21%21%21780.25%21632.00%21%402101e81117700919567383460eaaa5%2112000052603309198%21sea%21NZ%21168182036%21X%211%210%21n_tag%3A-29919%3Bd%3A51d2aeff%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895&curPageLogUid=swQshhBRxH1w&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A%7Cx_object_id%3A1005008047385036%7C_p_origin_prod%3A

My 10L tank is a carbon fibre/aluminium composite bottle (I have a dodgy back and the previous steel one was far too heavy for me to move around).  I took it to the local fill centre once for the initial fill, but it's nearly a 90 minute round trip for me.  When I saw how they filled them and the sad condition of the Fire Service BA carbon bottles I decided that I needed my own compressor.

This is probably your best bet but make sure you get one with auto-shut-off.  I'm not certain that this one has.  If you only have a pistol, this will be more than adequate and a lot easier to use than a hand pump!

https://www.guncity.com/pcp-air-compressor-12v-250w-376381




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Crosman 2240 Custom .22
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Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2026 at 4:31pm
The pistol I'm looking at is a Crosman 1701p has a 65cc tank.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 6:15am
That'll be a nice gun. I think they have a Lothar Walthar barrel.

For compressors I have a GX CS4. Had it a couple, maybe 3 years now and no issues. I only fill directly to my guns and it is 12v with a converter, so it can be powered off a car battery in the field if required.


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 4:48pm
Thanks for the links, I never really put much thought into PCP pumps, it definitely adds an extra layer of cosrs to the initial set up, certainly given me plenty to think about.


Posted By: Grey Kiwi
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 4:53pm
It does add costs...and I went through this with my indoor benchrest.
The cost of the pump was less than me continuing shooting with a .22 rimfire for less than 2 years, and at the end of that time instead of a whole lot of empty cases swept up and tossed I still had a pump to sell one day to recoup most of my setup costs.



Posted By: Mintie
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 4:58pm
Brass is $7.5 a kg at the moment LOL


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 4:59pm
Hey Paul, yeah a really cool gun, yes it's got a LW barrel, but with my question I've realized I need to shell out plenty more than I'd initially thought. Regarding compressor,

Not sure if I shoot enough to justify the expense.

I've just built a 2240 with the same a 10.1 inch LW barrel and 2 stage trigger group as the 1701p, which is inanely accurate,

I've applied for a Permit to Import for the 1701p which is valid for 12 months so hopefully I've won lotto by then,

Kris



Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:05pm
Where abouts do you shoot in Nelson/Richmond?


Posted By: Mintie
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:19pm
For a small air tank like a PCP pistol a hand pump is fine. Cheap as chips and easy enough to pump it up, the problem with using a hand pump is more if you are filling bigger tanks to higher pressure - they become a painful exercise!

Most PCP pistols are about 50cc and usually only 200-250 bar, some PCP rifles are up to 700cc and 300bar which is a totally different story. 

Having said that a compressor is a great investment and once you have it there is little barrier to buying more PCP's. I have been running a Yong Heng for the last 4 years or so and it has been fantastic! It is happy to fill up bottles or do direct gun fills. I had a few Tuxing and other brands in the past but they were all trouble. The YH one is under $1000 landed and will last a long time.



Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:28pm
The crosman I'm looking at is like 65cc from memory, so a pump my be my cheaper option, 😎👍


Posted By: Grey Kiwi
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by Kris Kris wrote:

Where abouts do you shoot in Nelson/Richmond?
Saxton Field indoor range. It's 25 yards. I have asked about pistol shooting in there and am waiting on a reply as there are a few of us who want to shoot pistols too.


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:40pm
I know nothing about home compressors, other than that they give trouble and need servicing and oil and filters… 😂😂😂😂
Being an ex scuba diver I know a lot about tanks. I have 3 pcp rifles and I’d say I shoot quite a bit, so I went for a second hand 14L steel tank (the biggest you can get), which cost me $400. What does a home compressor cost?

I shoot 3 or 4 nights a week and get the tank topped up when it gets down to 180 bar, which is about every 3 or 4 months. The dive shop in Hamilton charges me 5 or 10$ to top it up, depending on who’s on the till.
$30 sounds like a complete fill. remember that divers suck it empty (down to about 50 bar), when I take it in it just needs a top up from 180 back to 210.

The thing that worries me the most about home compressors is moisture getting pumped into your rifle.
Maybe it’s a problem, maybe it’s not… I don’t know.
But the reason commercial compressors at the dive shop cost 50k is because they dry the air before pumping it into the tank, so the tank dosent rust from the inside. That’s why they need to be inspected annually.

How many of us send our pcp tanks/bottles in to get inspected every now and then…???
I guess if your rifle has a fancy carbon fiber bottle it’s not a problem.

Kris, if you are only intending to pump a small cylinder on a pistol, a hand pump might actually be an option. What pressure does it require?
I used to hand pump my HW100 rifle to 200bar…. Those last few pumps to get up to 200 were almost impossible 😂

How long does a home compressor take to fill a rifle from 100 to 200 or 220bar? 20min?
My dive tank takes about 30 seconds.
If I go away for a weekend (like the upcoming forum social weekend) I just put it on the back seat of my truck and I could fill everyone’s rifles, twice a day, every day.
A home compressor would run your car battery flat in 20min, or cost u a bit in petrol to keep ideling for a few hours 😉

Pros and cons to each, I guess u just need to find the one that fits you.

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Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 5:42pm
I'll be very surprised if they issue a permit for you to import a PCP pistol.  I applied to import a single shot pistol for target shooting after having already imported several PCP rifles and they turned me down.  I appealed the decision and they again declined telling me I could further appeal through the District Court. A rough estimate of the cost to do this was around $2k without engaging a lawyer, with no guarantee I'd be successful.  The pistol was only worth $700 landed so I flagged it.

IMHO, the Police use this mechanism to prevent the importation of these as they're (currently) not subject to to the legislative requirements of rifle ownership.


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Daystate Red Wolf .22
FX Dreamline .22
Diana Outlaw .22
AA S410 .22
HW98 .177
HW30 .177
Diana 340 E-Tec .177
FWB Sport 124 .177
Gamo 900 .22
Baikal IJ-22 .177
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
Brocock GP .22


Posted By: Mintie
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 6:08pm
Pete - The compressor cost was under $1000 to get to my door, plus about $60 for some oil and I ended up spending a little more on some extra cooling gear. that was 4 years ago and it has been more or less maintenance free since then. I run it through a drying filter and all my PCP's have been clean inside when I am doing seals etc so I am happy the air quality is good. 

In terms of fill time it depends what you are filling, the drying filter itself is about 400cc so the way I tend to do it is to fill one of my tanks (think the big one is 6L) and when it gets close to full I will then connect each of my rifles to the tank to top them off, that way I am not wasting the 400cc filter purge for each rifle. If I was to just direct top up my Uragan from 150-300bar it would only take less than 2 mins to fill it. To top up the 6l tank from 150bar to 300 takes less than10 mins from memory.

The biggest advantage to me is the fill pressure, most of my PCP's fill to 300bar and get a lot of shots from 300bar down to the 220bar which is the max most dive shops will fill a bottle to, which becomes much more evident when the bottle starts to drop off down to 180bar etc.

My Matador will get 120ish shots @ 33fpe from 300bar, but if I was limited to a 200bar fill that would probably only be 60 shots which makes a huge difference.

This of course becomes even more important if you start talking about air hungry big bores that only get 3-5 shots per fill!

KiwiTR6 - How long ago was that permit refused? They eased up on the permit approvals for them about 8 months ago, I recently imported 2 Evanix Rex pistols (.25 and .30) and had no questions asked.


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 6:39pm
My Daughter shoots there on a Monday nights, I've asked about pistols at Saxons but was told that the range isn't "Certified" for pistols.
But count me in on any pistol shoots, I'm in Atawhai

Kris


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2026 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by Mintie Mintie wrote:

KiwiTR6 - How long ago was that permit refused? They eased up on the permit approvals for them about 8 months ago, I recently imported 2 Evanix Rex pistols (.25 and .30) and had no questions asked.

It was about 12 months ago and I have seen a few being sold recently by Gun City.  Figured they'd found a way around it but my interest in pistols has waned since then, I much prefer using rifles.


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Daystate Red Wolf .22
FX Dreamline .22
Diana Outlaw .22
AA S410 .22
HW98 .177
HW30 .177
Diana 340 E-Tec .177
FWB Sport 124 .177
Gamo 900 .22
Baikal IJ-22 .177
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
Brocock GP .22


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 6:26am
Originally posted by Mintie Mintie wrote:

Pete - The compressor cost was under $1000 to get to my door, plus about $60 for some oil and I ended up spending a little more on some extra cooling gear. that was 4 years ago and it has been more or less maintenance free since then. I run it through a drying filter and all my PCP's have been clean inside when I am doing seals etc so I am happy the air quality is good. 

In terms of fill time it depends what you are filling, the drying filter itself is about 400cc so the way I tend to do it is to fill one of my tanks (think the big one is 6L) and when it gets close to full I will then connect each of my rifles to the tank to top them off, that way I am not wasting the 400cc filter purge for each rifle. If I was to just direct top up my Uragan from 150-300bar it would only take less than 2 mins to fill it. To top up the 6l tank from 150bar to 300 takes less than10 mins from memory.

The biggest advantage to me is the fill pressure, most of my PCP's fill to 300bar and get a lot of shots from 300bar down to the 220bar which is the max most dive shops will fill a bottle to, which becomes much more evident when the bottle starts to drop off down to 180bar etc.

My Matador will get 120ish shots @ 33fpe from 300bar, but if I was limited to a 200bar fill that would probably only be 60 shots which makes a huge difference.

This of course becomes even more important if you start talking about air hungry big bores that only get 3-5 shots per fill!

KiwiTR6 - How long ago was that permit refused? They eased up on the permit approvals for them about 8 months ago, I recently imported 2 Evanix Rex pistols (.25 and .30) and had no questions asked.

Slightly off subject, but Mintie, how do you disconnect the line and retain the pressure in the air dryer so you can fill another gun? Did you get one of those EDgun ezifill things?




Posted By: Grey Kiwi
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 7:15am
Originally posted by Kris Kris wrote:

My Daughter shoots there on a Monday nights, I've asked about pistols at Saxons but was told that the range isn't "Certified" for pistols.
But count me in on any pistol shoots, I'm in Atawhai

Kris
I asked our main man Graeme, and he replied...

"I raised the subject of Pistols with the executive. They seemed interested to discuss further, at least did not reject the idea.

You would need to put together a plan of what you would want to do with some direction on how club would be administered etc.

The first issue to be resolved is what are the requirements of the Firearm Safety Authority to establish a pistol club. or can you develop a relationship with Nelson Pistol Club??? At this stage the Association is not licensed to shoot pistols.

You need to think about what target equipment you would need  - the expectation is using target machines across the range".

So it could happen but needs some planning/ideas. We should meet one day.




Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 8:21am
My five cents: I can vouch for the GX compressors, I had a CS4 which gave me no problems and sold that to buy another GX made compressor made to fill Airbow pneumatic nail guns. I use it to fill a 9 litre composite bottle. I top up the bottle and take the bottle with me when I go shooting.

As Mintie said there is a significant shot count advantage being able to fill to 300. You can get dive bottles rated to 300 bar which have a specific high pressure rated DIN valve, however not all dive shops can filll to 300. Most will do the standard 230 odd bar. 

SCBA tanks used by firefighters sometimes come up for sale and these are generally rated to 300 bar. They can be composite or steel. A fire station might be able to help with filling.

If you can afford it I would go with a compressor, no hassle with testing dive tanks or dropping off tanks to be filled.


Posted By: Mintie
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 8:31am
Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

[QUOTE=Mintie] Slightly off subject, but Mintie, how do you disconnect the line and retain the pressure in the air dryer so you can fill another gun? Did you get one of those EDgun ezifill things?




Haven't come up with a way to do that yet, the compressor doesn't have enough grunt to start while there is pressure in front of it so I don't think it would work anyway. Topping up all the PCP's while filling the bottle and using the bottles valve to stop having to purge the filter is the most efficient way I came up with.



Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 7:27pm
Thanks, tanks seem convenient,

Kris


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 7:28pm
Fingers crosman, I'll let you know how I get on, in 5-6 weeks, 🙄


Posted By: Kris
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 7:33pm
Sounds like a whole shipload of red tape and bureaucratic headaches to me, might be worth a look though, be good to have an indoor range that close,
Yes we should,

Kris


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 12:21pm
Hi Mintie,

Good explination of your home compressor set up.

I agree with you 100% about being able to fill a 300bar rifle up to 300 bar. There are a lot of shots between 300 and 220 bar, so why not use them.
I used to have a 300bar 10L scuba tank, which I brought over to NZ when I immigrated, and then found out it cant be filled by a dive shop in NZ or Aus because there is a specific H&S system here. Quite frustrating.

300 bar scuba tanks are avalible to purchase here, and as JawbFrog pointed out, they need a special DIN valve rated to 300bar, which I would have had to order seperatly when I looked into buying a 300bar tank here. The only problem I found when I phoned around is that there is only 1 dive shop on North Island (that I am aware of) that will fill a scuba tank to 300bar, and they are in Auckland (and I'm not).

I considered a home compressor, but the costs and maintence, and buckets of water with pumps to cool it etc, seemed like more hassel then I wanted. My rifles take 200bar and 230bar, so I got a one man decompression chamber (14L steel scuba tank) for 400 bucks, my hamilton dive shot pumps it to about 210 (should be 230 but they too lazy to let it cool and then do the last 20 bar) and that much air lasts me months.

If I had a 300 bar rifle things would be different i guess

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Posted By: metallicsting
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 9:33pm
I bought this at gun city on the Father’s Day special for $639.20
https://www.guncity.com/pcp-air-compressor-12v-250w-376381
I have an FX Impact M4 and it takes approx 5-7mins to fill from 100bar to 250bar. I always turn it on first to ensure any moisture is out before attaching it to my Airgun, because on hot days it often starts with a bit of water coming out. I’m really new to pcp’s so don’t really know what I’m doing yet but it seems to do the job. I will buy a tank eventually. Would love to give advice but I’m still learning myself and don’t want to give wrong advice.



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