The Sub16 comparison.

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   Thanks guys.
Kruza, I’m (still) working on similar review of the 10gr knock out slugs.
I’ve done all the shooting, just need to find the time to do all the editing and put it together.
It’s what I’m going to work on next.
U guys got bits and pieces of it as it was slowly happening when I found interesting things and posted them here.

U certainly could shoot slugs in springers, there are plenty of guys in the UK that are doing it, and they are sub12.
Just choose a “light” weight slug and give it a try. You won’t get blistering speeds of course, and you probably won’t get the extreme expansions and energy dumps that come from high speeds, but… if u find a slug that is accurate in your rifle, it might have a slightly lower muzzle velocity than a similar weight pellet, but, it is still going to out perform that pellet a distances past 50. Because of its slug shape it is going to retain more speed, be less effected by wind and will still hit harder than that pellet at distance.
U just need to try a few and find one that shoots well out of your springer.

With regards to the pellet noise, I think it is possible that the hades, or any similar “not smooth” pellet could make more noise then a smooth round head.
From my years of shooting competitive archery and bow hunting, I can tell you that all arrows make noise while flying down range. Arrows with solid one piece broad heads are the “quietest”. Broad heads that have cut outs and vents to save weight and make them lighter, whistle loudly down range in flight!!!
Don’t ask me how I know that.

However, I still believe with slow pellets, the sound of the rifle is still what they react to.
Over 60yards, the sound of the rifle (hammer hitting valve) leaves the rifle technically before the pellet even leaves the muzzle. The rifle sound travels to the rabbit at 1100 odd fps, and dosent slow down. If the pellet is doing 550fps (ish) at the muzzel, (half the speed), and starts slowing down immediately. 
The sound of the rifle has reached the rabbits before the pellets have even reached half way.
The rabbits may well hear the pellets in flight, but they heard the rifle first. Just my 2cents worth.

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RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 18 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 907	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Dec 2024 at 8:10pm
	Thanks guys. Kruza, I’m (still) working on similar review of the 10gr knock out slugs. I’ve done all the shooting, just need to find the time to do all the editing and put it together. It’s what I’m going to work on next. U guys got bits and pieces of it as it was slowly happening when I found interesting things and posted them here. U certainly could shoot slugs in springers, there are plenty of guys in the UK that are doing it, and they are sub12. Just choose a “light” weight slug and give it a try. You won’t get blistering speeds of course, and you probably won’t get the extreme expansions and energy dumps that come from high speeds, but… if u find a slug that is accurate in your rifle, it might have a slightly lower muzzle velocity than a similar weight pellet, but, it is still going to out perform that pellet a distances past 50. Because of its slug shape it is going to retain more speed, be less effected by wind and will still hit harder than that pellet at distance. U just need to try a few and find one that shoots well out of your springer. With regards to the pellet noise, I think it is possible that the hades, or any similar “not smooth” pellet could make more noise then a smooth round head. From my years of shooting competitive archery and bow hunting, I can tell you that all arrows make noise while flying down range. Arrows with solid one piece broad heads are the “quietest”. Broad heads that have cut outs and vents to save weight and make them lighter, whistle loudly down range in flight!!! Don’t ask me how I know that. However, I still believe with slow pellets, the sound of the rifle is still what they react to. Over 60yards, the sound of the rifle (hammer hitting valve) leaves the rifle technically before the pellet even leaves the muzzle. The rifle sound travels to the rabbit at 1100 odd fps, and dosent slow down. If the pellet is doing 550fps (ish) at the muzzel, (half the speed), and starts slowing down immediately. The sound of the rifle has reached the rabbits before the pellets have even reached half way. The rabbits may well hear the pellets in flight, but they heard the rifle first. Just my 2cents worth.
	Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2345	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Dec 2024 at 9:50pm
	Nah I have no interest in slugs. My springer doesnt need the extra friction to fight against. They wont expand at power i have. I prefure arc for reasons ive stated before on site. I have watched many reviews on slugs and see no advantages in my rifle.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1436	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 7:43am
	I've been doing a bit of paid rabbit work at a cemetery lately and have shot rabbits at 60 -80 and the odd 100m with pellets, but as the rabbits are more weary, the ranges are increasing, so I am now considering slugs again as I think this is the purpose they hold, for the longer ranges. Power is not an issue, it's battling wind at longer ranges.

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 18 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 907	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2024 at 7:31pm
	Agreed Pauly. Slugs are just in a different league at longer distances. I was using the little JSB 10gr Knock Outs again last Friday night. Man they are tiny! I can load a full mag of 8.44gr JSB's in to the Air Arms 10shot mag, in total darkness, just by feel, no problem. But there is no possible way I could load those 10gr Knock outs into an FX mag in the dark. They are just too small to feel and know which way they are facing. They are tiny! Anyway, I found a possum walking away from me in knee high grass, at 127yards. It wasn't presenting much of a shot but it was about to disappear completely into the grass so I took the shot. I connected with it, but it wasn't DRT, it went down in the grass and stayed put which gave me the opportunity to half the distance and put the next shot into its brain. One less pest. There is no way I would have been able to anchor a possum at 127yards with a 10gr pellet.
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kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2345	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Dec 2024 at 10:02am
	Hey pete can you put up the link here for you slug video when you put it up? I recently got rid of utube off my phone and dont get the notification any more.