JSB Knock Outs 10gr .177 |
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Posted: 03 Sep 2024 at 6:39pm |
Package just arrived....
Saw these on trademe the other night and had to get some to try. They have had good reviews on you tube, but up till now I dont believe they have been avalible on NZ. The only .177 slugs avalible in NZ were Sypdas 13.4gr, but Ive really been wanting to try a 10gr slug. These have a hollow base, and a decent depth hollow point. Going to try then in Little Elly at about 12.4FPE, so I'm expecting about 740ish fps or there abouts, and then goint to try them in Emma, hopefully around 1000fps. So excited to start playing with these! Will post updates as we go... |
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Very encouraging results so far...
Tried them through two different rifles, one didnt like them, one did. Had a few rabbit carcasses in the back of my truck from a separate caliber test I'm doing, so put one or two of these Knockout slugs through them... Very interesting indeed!!! Finally seeing the terminal ballistic performance I've always wanted from pellets, pity its from slugs, but it seems to be there. More testing and then results to follow. |
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Expanded to 7.3 to 7.8mm (depending on where you measure it.)
If it had been an even round equally radisued mushroom it would have been 8mm wide! Excellent mushroom. Recovered from under skin on far side of a rabbits chest. Two different tests of side on head shots exited completely, BUT, totally destroyed the brain case, literally cracking the skulls into pieces from hydrostatic forces within the brain case!!! Ive shot hundreds of rabbits through the head with 8.44gr exacts and never seen anything like that before!!! Edited by RangerPete - 07 Sep 2024 at 11:31am |
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What guns did you test with?
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Little Elly, an Air Arms S510 carbine doing just over 12FPE, shes the one that wasnt so keen on them.
And Emma, a FX Wildcat. Tried different power levels with the wildcat, and there is definatly an optimum velocity. I'll chrono the different settings to night and get the speeds they like, but it was not as fast as I was thinking. Its still fast, but I was thinking they would like screaming sub sonic, fast as you can push them, power wheel 7, turns out its not they liked power wheel 4 and 5. Will chrono tonight. |
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nice. ive only ever used the rabbit magnum from H&N. My hatsan didnt like them at all. so that was the end of that lol
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Chronoed the two rifles and these slugs through the little AirArms are giving around 11FPE, and the FX wild cat on full power is giving 998fps for 21.5FPE, which is what the recovered pellet from under the rabbits skin was doing.
The most accurate velocity was power setting 5, 950fps, 20FPE. More testing is obviously required, but this could be a game changer for rabbit culling. When culling rabbits on someone else’s property, my go to set up is a .177 cal, 8.44gr exact pellet doing 813fps for about 12,3FPE. Deadly accurate and comfortable out to 70 yards, can stretch it out to 90y under perfect conditions, but I expect a pass through with every shot because .177’s usually ice pick through rabbits, but I’m comfortable with that amount of energy and choosing my shots carefully. For very big property’s with more space, my “big gun” is a .22cal 15.89gr hades pellet doing 850fps for around 25FPE. A lot of energy to be sending down range, but the bigger surface area of a .22 slows it down more and with the extra space and Carefull shot selection, I’m comfortable using that amount of power on certain property’s. But these 10gr slugs, at 950fps giving 20FPE could be the perfect combination. Flat shooting at those velocity’s, hard hitting at 20FPE and should carry plenty of energy at longer distances with the slugs good BC, but super expanding and mushrooming, dumping all their energy in the target and not exiting a rabbit at 39yards, wow!!! At closer ranges, I expect head shots to still over penetrate and exit, so Carefull shot selection is still par for the course, but preliminary testing shows DEVISTATING internal damage from slug expansion when compared to a 8.44gr exact. Very exciting, and more testing to come 👍🏻 |
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So I haven't gotten around to actual quantitive test results yet, been busy with the sub 16 comparison, but I have used these little slugs for two jobs this week, and their performance has been excellent both times!
First job was a pukeko cull. I acquired a culling permit for 15 pukekos for a client, and used Little Emma with these Knockout slugs for the job. FX Wildcat Mk3, 600mm barrel pushing these 10gr slugs at 954fps for 20.2FPE. Shots were between 20y and 65yards, and their performance was excellent, I couldnt have asked for better. Second job was at a horse racing track for rabbits last night. This is a difficult property to cull rabbits on because it is very open, no cover, close to a mountain so can be windy, and there are a lot of people who walk their dogs here, so the rabbits have been well educated that people = danger because they have been chased by every dog in the area and/or I'm guessing that they have been shot at by every guy and his dog who's got a slug gun and nothing better to do on a Friday night. Even with all my sneaky tactics I struggle to get with in 100 yards of them before they start hopping away... quite frustrating. Anyway, I finished on 29 for the night which included two hares. The close shots were 65yards and the longest shot of the night was 99yards. And I was definatly able to appreciate the benefit of slugs at those distances! Yes, I know I could have taken any of those shots with Little Elly and her 8.44gr exact at 12.4FPE and she would have been just as deadly, but you need all the odds stacked in your favour for long shots like that with a 12FPE pellet. I definatly felt more confident and there fore more comfortable taking them with a slightly heavier and faster slug, and the MUCH better BC of the slugs is what gives them that better performance further down range. Have a look at these stats, the 100 yard comparison blew my mind! The Ellement ballistics app compares them as follows: Little Elly. 8.44gr exact at 813fps. BC 0.019 12.4FPE at muzzel. 3.5FPE at 100yards, with 27.5 inches drop. Little Emma. 10.03gr Kock Out at 954fps. BC 0.047 (huge difference in BC) 20.3FPE at muzzel (63% more energy at the muzzel) 11.4FPE at 100 yards, with 12.8 inches drop. Read those 100 yard stats of each one again! The differences at the muzzel are stright forward, they are what they are, but the differences at 100 yards are HUGE!!! 3.5 times the energy and less than half the drop, from a projectile that only weighs 1.6gr more! Anyway, I was very happy with the performance of these little slugs last night on what is usually a difficult property to cull on. I'm looking forward to recovering some rabbits in future, finding the slugs and getting some real world performance test results. More to come... |
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I've used Little Emma and the 10gr slugs for the past few nights, picked up 3 rabbits the other night and 7 rabbits last night for necropsys.
I've just finished opening them up to see what the slugs are doing, and to try and recover some them. Recovered 9 out of 10. Pretty impressive! Ive decided to do a video on their performance. Heres a teaser of what the recovered slugs look like. |
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