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Pauly5
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Topic: PCP PistolsPosted: 19 Jan 2023 at 2:17pm |
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I know of the first model in the country, and hear there is a mk2 possibly.
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picante
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Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 1:39pm |
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Leshiy I think is 742 ,not so confident on the hatsan altho is going to be supressed. Fingers crossed
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Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:18am |
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I certainly hope you get them. Yes ordering and getting them sent is easy, but getting them approved by NZ Police and customs will be the hard part, especially if they are shorter than 762 mm.
Keep us informed.
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picante
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Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:50am |
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Not quite following suit but I've just put in a permit to import a pcp pistol. I am unsure how it will go as its already on order. I've
ordered an edgun leshiy, and a hatsan jet 2 that was pretty cheap as
another work gun as far as I can tell it's pretty straight forward. Will be interesting to see what happens. |
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CuteRabbit
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Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:21am |
![]() ![]() Many years ago, I heard people playing PCP loss 3 fingers for the failure of the container. You don't want a pre-charged bottle in your short pocket, and you fall onto the ground, the pistol just explode between your legs...![]() ![]() lets play with the rifle
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dvlnme
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Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 7:38am |
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the only prob with lead head nails is the alloy not very consistant,and they allso often contain a % of antiminy,this metal is what makes lead harder and allso allows lead to be heat treated harder again,i personally wouldnt use lead head nails to produce airgun pellets or bullets unless alloyed in very small quantiys with pure lead because antinimy will lead the barrel with unlubed airgun ammo,as airgun barrels are normally softer than firearms barrels they are easier to damage getting the lead out of the bore,you can use a bronze brush in firearms but doso to an airgun barrel will likely destroy the barrel.
the cast boolite forum is primerilly bout firearms but there are a few airgun cast bullet shooters on this forum,some of whom do know what they are talking about,but like many US forums there are plenty of self proclaimed arm chair experts as well,the world seems to be full of these so called experts today on most things,you dont need tin to cast top quality lead bullets,getting the mould temp just right is bit of an art many never quite master,but is the secret to casting excellent pure lead bullets,if mould is too cold you get undersized wrinkly bullets if too hot the bullets get a frosted colour and will allso be undersized and crystalize the exteriour of the bullet not saying i am an expert but have cast and shoot proberly several hundred thousand cast bullets in hand moulds over the past allmost 50 years and proberly several million in hi speed casting machines as a commercial bullet maker for 12 years i had to produce top quality bullets just to sell them and never had any complaints or returned bullets,as said casting top qiality lead bullets is bit of an art,but with pratice and patience anyone can learn how cast excellent lead bullets,you will learn to know exactly when mould temp is right because bullets will be bright and shiny with no wrinkles and once mould gets too hot the bullets become frosted,and time to let mould cool off,allinium/brass moulds heat up faster than cast iron moulds so you tend to get less good bullets before alli /brass moulds get too hot,there nothing wrong with alli moulds if you only want to cast smaller numbers of bullets in a session and they cost less to,my sujjestion if buying alli moulds get a 4 cavity mould rather than a single cavity mould. cheers mike
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Rusty
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Posted: 19 Feb 2022 at 11:46am |
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Will be useing 1% tin from the 50/50 solder in the pure lead to help it flow better into the mold, spent abit of time on the castboolit forum and resisting the urge to hoard lead wheel weights from the local tire shops lol
Got my scrap roofing lead offcuts from a metal recycler website since the local scrappy closed years ago, bout 80 bucks for 10kg couriered.. not that bad if .30cal pellets are 40 bucks a tin. Roofing lead and lead head nails are the only source of pure lead around for airgun ammo. |
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Posted: 19 Feb 2022 at 2:31am |
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airgun projectiles are normally made from pure lead,tin makes the alloy bit harder but in the right quantitys easier to cast in moulds,adding tin to alloys for swaging requires a lot more pressure to swage the bullet,big difference between bullets for firearms than bullets for airguns,bullets for firearms need to be lubed to prevent them leading up the barrel badly,and noramlly harder to better resist the significantly higher pressures and stresses put on bullets in firearms,purpose of lubing bullets for firearms is to help reduce the bullets leading up barrel,airgun bullets dont need lubing which is normally caused by the heat from gunpowder partually melting the base of the bullet,and leaving that residue in barrel,this can be reduced by copper gas checks on the base of harder lead bullets in firearms,it is possible to fire hard lead bullets in firearms up to 3000fps if bullets are wrapped with teflon tape with good accuracy,but normally lead bullets in firearms are best kept to no more than 2500fps max,unlubed soft lead as used in airguns wont significantly leave lead residue in barrel,but residue will build up slowly over time in airguns and needs to be removed to maintain accuracy,unlubed soft lead bullets can work extremely well in high powered pcp airguns at velocitys in the 1000/1500fps range,its possible to drive airgun bullets up to higher velocitys with good accuracy as well but generally to gain more energy in airguns bullet weights and calibers are increased and veloctys kept below 1200 fps,good source og info on shooting soft lead bullets in pcp airuns can be found on utube on US varmunt shooting posts and forums,these guys know what they are doing and talking about and are normally using calibers in the 25/30/35 range with decent weight projectiles at quite high velocitys in US made rifles some using nitrogen rather than hpa as nitrogen produces higher velocitys due to being thinner than air higher volumes can pass thru valve and is more free flowing than hpa,i believe swaging soft pure lead bullets produces the best bullets for airguns,as casting soft pure lead is more difficult to get good clean consistant weight bullets than swagind can,i can get swaged soft lead bullets to stay within 1/10 of a grain in weight,its not possible to cast pure lead bullets to that same consistancy.interesting topic.
cheers mike
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Rusty
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Posted: 18 Feb 2022 at 2:01pm |
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It's another interesting part of the hobby making ya own ammo like building up a custom airgun, the bob's boattail bullets for airguns are the next developement from most swaged slugs you can buy, rather keen to make a mold for the 52gr bbt .25cal drawing I posted should stablize in my barrel with the 1:18 twist to 900fps. Edited by Rusty - 18 Feb 2022 at 2:05pm |
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Posted: 18 Feb 2022 at 1:49pm |
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Well thats way more than a few bullets, think their will be more reloading now with this ammo shortage.
I've just got some new roofing lead flashing offcuts and 50/50 lead solder bar to learn to cast by hand, will be making my own molds and just have to run a pellet through my .25 cal barrel to find out the groove and land diameter to size the cutting tool +0.001 over groove diameter. 40 bucks for 150 .30cal pellets id cast my own if NOE makes a run of their hunter pellet molds again its modeled off the jsb pellet. |
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Posted: 17 Feb 2022 at 2:36am |
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used to cast and swage lot lead projectiles as was a commercial bullet maker for many years allso made jacketed rifle and pistol bullets,used to produce bout 3000 bullets per hour for cast and swaged lead bullets ans bout 1000hour in jacketed depending on type bullets was making could be as few as 1/200 jacketed an hour for jacketed partition type rifle bullets,but havnt made ant projectiles foe some years now but still have some dies for certain swaged and jacketed rifle and pistol bullets for a hand press that i cant find,all my hi speed machinery sold some years ago,and still in nz somewhere but have no idea where now.tiz pity bout posting pcp stuff but i just dont think good idea these days,too easy to get into trouble without a dealers licence these days evan if not breaking the law as the out come can depend on the attitude of the officer you dealing with at the time and their often very bassic understanding of the gun laws,you just cant win with some of them because in their eyes they are the police and therefore allways right,and unfortunately they do have the power to make life very difficult if they choose to,just not worth it mate on open public forum,
cheers mike
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Rusty
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Posted: 16 Feb 2022 at 4:56pm |
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Perfectly valid reasons Mike, think most people with a FAL are trying to do nothing that would put their license at risk. Funny that pcp airguns are limited to subsonic speeds so it takes an expensive rifle and high pressures to match equivalent firearms fpe, .25cal pcp can match a .22lr but at a much higher cost.
No pcp build threads on here might be a good idea, there are other forums to look at for that info.. Mike do you cast your own ammo for your builds, I noticed most websites and all nz sites are sold out of .30cal jsb pellets, could only buy .25cal jsb pellets.. here's some useful pics since you have the skills also to figure out the rest. USA made Noe pellet molds are good but usps aint shipping to nz anymore so we kiwis have to be resourceful. 250_BBT_16in_twist.jpg Cherry_51gr_bbt_.250_cal.jpg 308_cal_BBT_152_gr_zps0blk15f4.jpg Edited by Rusty - 16 Feb 2022 at 5:33pm |
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Posted: 15 Feb 2022 at 3:25am |
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while not illegal to buy sell/repair/modify/build firearms and airguns as a hobby as long as its not part of a busseness,what defines a busseness is a little vague and open to interpretation by an individual police officer and it can be very easy to fall foul of this bit of law if you dont hold a dealers licence,and when factoring in that many in police now believe pcp airguns are more powerful than firearms,and nz police are parinoid bout pistols because they are concealable and pcp pistols dont require a firearms licence as pcp rifles do,we have a situation thats makes it not a good idea to post pics and details bout building pcp pistols particually on public forums which can leave those doing so open to police investigation,which may not end well if they decide that person evan as a hobby is in the busseness of making and selling pcp airguns without the approprate licence to do so,that is why I am reluctent tp post pics and details of any of my airgun projects on the forum,much as I would at times like to share what i do,just dont think for me personally that its a good thing to do,i never do anything illegal but just dont want to accused of doing so the way things are today as it could potentually cost me my firearms licence and guns for something I havnt done,
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Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 5:06am |
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I agree Paul - on a custom piece its nice to see how its assembled - screws and all. Shows the thought process and if they are nicely fitting it adds to the quality and craftsmanship!
There are some clever folk around doing some very interesting things. It is a pity it cant be more widely shown but perfectly understandable that makers want to keep private.
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Posted: 09 Feb 2022 at 8:41am |
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i never rush any my builds,they will take as long as it takes,i spent 6 years on and off working on developing my pcp revolver to the stage it is currently,but its a one of proto type pcp airgun so i will definatly be doing more work on it,nothing major just few little niggly things i want done better,thats the advanage of designing and building your own pcp airguns,they are never completed tho until you are completly satisfyed they are,and evan then later on you may decide to change something,i build pcp airguns ans occassionally firearms becauase i enjoy doing so and simplily because i can,its my hobby and has been for over 40 years,i will proberly die standing at my lathe or mill working on some gun project. there huge difference between putting gun together with parts you purchased,and designing and hand building a gun from scratch,just as there is huge difference for most in trying to copy a build thread without all the needed information and building the same gun from proper drawings,building guns of any type isnt rocket science but you still need to know and understand what you are building,if you dont the results can be disasterous,facts are a hand built gun can only be as good as its builders skill and knowledge levels like most engineers i am a fussy bugger,things either done exactly right or its binned,there is no second best when playing around at these pressures,second best could kill you.
i tend to keep my builds running at 3000psi max,never found the need to use higher pressures as i get the power out puts shot counts i need for hunting pistols and rifles in the 2800/3000 psi range with or without regulaters in cals up to 25, i design and make my own hi flow valves for both co2 and hpa,i use a simple one piece valve body i designed,with a cone shaped synthetic poppit exposed to air chamber,with the valve spring behind poppit inside valve body the valve has two stem bushings machined directly into valve body,valve is assembled from front with the synthetic poppit threaded onto the valve stem,these are very simple and easy to make and can be made to suit any tube diameter or caliber,because valve body is parrallel sided they are then easy to modify if needed in lathe enuf for this post cheers mike
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