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RangerPete
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Topic: Best caliber for goats?Posted: 04 May 2025 at 5:26pm |
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Hi Mark,
Next time i'm out that way which should be the month after our upcomming wallaby shoot, I'll try bring one or two back. Would'nt mind some my self, but I usually give them all to the land owner. Will just have to shoot more next time
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Posted: 03 May 2025 at 1:54pm |
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Wild turkeys?
Pete I'd love one of those for the table if you ever have spare. I really like the wild flavour but found slow cooking essential - the wild turkeys I have shot have been tough as old boots even with a slow roast at 160 celsius. Crock pot on low is the default for me and wild turkeys now. My mother was a superb game bird chef but when we had the occasional tough mallard Mum used to ask us why we didn't ask the ducks their age before we shot them. |
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Posted: 30 Apr 2025 at 8:43am |
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Good account of everything there Pete.
I only own a little 22lr anf have never fired it, but If was to buy another powder burner it would be a 17hmr, they sound so handy.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2025 at 7:13am |
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Wow! Superb tally Pete! And a superb arsenal of fine weapons!!!
![]() 18 turkeys?! Christmas has arrived early!!! Well done! Great pest control.... I bet that was fun!
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Posted: 29 Apr 2025 at 4:10pm |
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Latest update on the goat culling saga...
Went south again last weekend to the same horse property. This time I took Little Emma (.177 air rifle, 22FPE), my new unblooded Tikka .17HMR and a .308. First time out using (culling with) a .17HMR, and I must say, it is a fun gun of note. I was very pleased with its performance. I've zeroed it at 115yards, and its pretty much point and shoot from 20yards out to 140ish, and not much drop out to 200yards. I again didnt find any deer, so it was just the .17's that got some trigger time this weekend. The pest control (culling) tally for the weekend was: 4 goats 18 turkeys 9 rabbits 6 hedgehogs 4 mice 2 hares and a possum. The .17HMR was responsible for the 4 goats and 18 turkeys, Little Emma took the rest. So my impressions of the .17HMR after this weekend are as follows... Having only just started using it, I still need to work out my limits and comfort zones using it, but I was shooting the 20gr CCI game point, which is not a frangible varmint bullet, it is supposed to be a hollow point which mushrooms, holds together, retains its weight and penetrates to the best of its little 20gr ability. (which is certainly impressive, I must say!) The turkeys at 70 to 100 yards were no problem. A turkey is a big bird, but that tiny 20gr .177cal bullet made short work of them, from any angle, usually (with out a lot of investigating) exiting. I didnt have time to do the dissections I would have liked to do in order to gauge terminal ballistic performance, but it was impressive none the less. One of the flocks of turkeys I came across was a flock of 8 birds on a small flat high up in the hills. The wind was in my favour and they were slightly up hill of me, so as I peered over the chest of the track I was on I could see them, but my body was hidden from them below the rise. An almost perfect situation. I was about 70 or 80 yards away and managed to cull the entire flock with some fairly quick shooting. Its performance on the goats was even more impressive. The first goat was a steep downhill shot at about 30yards. Back of the head and it dropped like a stone. Bullet exited through the eye socket. Second goat was also a steep down hill shot, maybe around 90 yards with a lot of tree branches in the way. I was looking down a fence line and had a small window clear of vegetation and all I could do was watch the mob of about 20plus goats walk through the little gap I had to shoot through as they were ducking under the fence into the native bush. Eventually one stopped in the window, I could see a chest shot and I took it just behind the front leg. The third and 4th goats were on a huge open paddock, again from a mob of 25plus goats. (no shortage of goats there and the owners want them gone). Not much cover to make an approach, so half the mob was aware of me as I took up a position and set up my shooting sticks. I chose to go for a neck shot at 106 yards on a full grown nanny who was not aware of me and still feeding. She dropped on the spot but did require a coup de grace. Necropsy revealed the bullet hit and broke the bottom edge of the lower neck vertebra. 4th goat was a young billy, I didnt have time to range it but it was around 130 or 140 yards. Quartering away shot, just behind the shoulder, was also a vertebra shot as it also dropped on the spot. Every caliber has its merits and its limits, and with more use I'll figure out where I'm comfortable using this little tac driver. After this last weekend I'd be confident taking turkeys out further, happy to try 150yards. And I think 100yards would be a good limit for broad side chest shots on goats, and 50yards for head shots. Thats my 2cents for now. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 2:17pm |
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I'm using the CCI A17 ammo, made specifically for this rifle it runs a bit hotter than other HMR ammo so there is enough oomph to cycle the action, 17gr polymer tipped
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Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 12:49pm |
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You cant supply a commercial restaurant, there are regulations that need to be meet for processing meat for public sale. But you can ask them them about if they know anyone who might be interested on individual level, or for pet food.
As for grain weight that would be like me telling you what pellet to use for your air rifle. I have no idea what will suit your gun, the distance you'll be shooting, or the effect your after on impact. You will have to sort that out yourself. Projectile testing is something you seem to like doing so shouldn't be a problem for you. |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 11:16am |
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Kruza, I need to find some local Indian folk looking for goat meat. I should go ask at the local Indian restaurants.
Mintie, 200+ meters, thats impressive! Do you use the 17gr Vmax frangible bullets or the 20grainers with more solid construction? |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 9:22am |
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17hmr is fantastic, I would not be without one for my job as it just takes so much guess work out of the equation.
Get them well suppressed, the sonic crack without any muzzle boom is impossible for them to locate the source of the danger but they know the danger is there, prey is left totally disorientated without knowing where to go. I have the Savage A17 and happily shoot Rabbits and Pukeko's out to 200+ meters |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2025 at 6:07am |
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Be a few long distance bunnies to i bet.
There was a guy down south whi use to buy goat skins for drum skins, bongo type. Indians have hit me up about goat meat for curry before, so you may be able to find a market for various goat bits to help cover ammo cost. Gonna be fun gun and really open up the range you pest control at. |
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Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 2:07pm |
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As soon as the picture upload problems have been solved I'll upload the pics.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 2:04pm |
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Update on the goat caliber saga...
I went south to a large property near Tamaranuie a few weekends ago to help them with some pest control, mostly rabbits, turkeys and goats. I took my FX wildcat in .177 shooting KO slugs at 22FPE (Little Emma), and my .22LR shooting subsonics at about 90FPE, and my 22-250. The owners were keen to fill their freezers so said any rabbits, turkeys or goats I got they would be interested in. They also said if I find any deer I could take a few for my self, and some for them. Using Little Emma I took a bunch of rabbits and 3 turkeys, most of which I gave to the farm owners. Using my .22LR I took 5 goats. 4 of them were at about 30 to 50yards, and one was lying down at just over 100 yards. Two of these were young and edible, so they went to the farm owners. Unfortunately we never found any deer. My little .22LR performed well out to 50yards, which is what I have it zeored at. The 105yard shot required a lot of careful aiming, I was using a normal optical scope (no fancy digital, ballistic calculators) with a plain 30/30 reticle, so no hold over points. I knew that the drop at 100 was about 30cm so I needed to aim up above its back. The shot was good, a touch lower on the chest then I would have liked, but still a dead goat, it is the black and white billy in the picture. After the above discussions in this thread on the pros and cons of different calibers, many hours of youtube research, and that weekends goats at 30 to 50yards and the one at just over 100yards with subsonic .22LR, I've decided to look deeper into the reported virtues of the .17HMR, using the 20gr soft nose and hollow point bullets. So I made some purchases, and last friday was rimfire range day ![]() I upgraded the scope on my .22LR to a hawke Vantage with mil dots for hold over and zeored it at 50yards, and I sighted in the two .17HMR's that I have aquired, zeroing them at 100yards.At a dollar a pop, they are not cheep to shoot, but I'm looking forward to getting to know them and seeing if I think I'm capable of using them for goats. |
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Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 5:25pm |
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Billbob, I actually have a 22-250.
Can’t even compare the cost of ammo for a 22-250 to a .17HMR or a .22Mag 😳 I’ve been considering how cheaply I could reload for, and I think I can get it down to about $1.20 a round, so if I’m reloading it’s not much more than the rimfires. A 223rem is another caliber I think would be great for goats, but if I’ve already got a 22-250 it’s hard to justify getting a 223 😂. Only problem is my 22-250 has a beautiful, and heavy, laminated stock and a heavy bull barrel, not ideal for trapsing around the hills with. |
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Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 8:28am |
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Hahaha yep, but these are already stuffed at poit of impact hahaha
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Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 8:24am |
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And you do taxidermy bb!
I find the irony of that and that video hellishly amusing. 🤣🤣 |
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