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Well, I just took it down from 95 bar to 60 in 4 mags. Quick shooting 4 mags meant quite loose groups but POI well, I felt hi power as expected, medium about the same, low power went left.

But 60 bar POI/Power/FPS little different from my last chrono with 135 bar which gave Ft/sec 673.8, 820.7, 896.2 with high power at 135 bar 896, today 907.

That 907 at say 80 bar simply cannot be too much under power at max 220 bar surely...and these are averages and now that my Chinese chrono friend has a cardboard coolie hat it is much more reliable.

I think I need a wider section for 50 m trials.WinkLOL 

But yeah, this is all pretty much a bit of fun. Next fill I'll get methodical and try to plot a power curve at High Power, then do Medium and low - if I can be bothered...now I need to do some dusk cruising to find some farmer's doors to knock on. I have already have one paddock in mind I've seen plenty of bunnies in a few years ago during mid-night manoeuvres....



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Yeah mate but the springers are cheap and frankly I went PCP simply because my springers are too heavy for standing shooting - or in spite of my Armstrong name, I'm way too weak. :-)

Both Paul and Pete have been very helpful in advising how to plot a power accuracy curve but so far I'm amazed there is much of either left at under 100 bar...makes me want to keep trying as the tank empties ha ha. Maybe I also need to try low power with low pressure. Hmmmm....stuff the work. Best I do that now.Thumbs Up
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I can see a springer being a thing of the past.
That's great results.
Who can complain about taking that sort of shot capabolity into the field.
Don't know if its any use to you but page 87 of you got to be out there too see, Pauly drew up a graph of the power curve of a pcp pistol I was playing with.
Could be something worth doing with yours if you haven't.

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So it's probably more efficient at high power.
The power wheel is only 3 different sized port holes, so gun uses the same air for each shot, and it's likely that low power just restricts flow and after the pellet has left the barrel, air is still being released, where high power all the air is transfered to the pellet.

Sounds like high power is the better setting, especially if it's more accurate. Too much air disturbance behind the pellet could cause inaccuracy.
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She still shoots on with accuracy!

Just 95 bar left! Yeah time to fill her up but I am VERY surprised she still shoots consistently...
Using high power so maybe that makes her wrestle every last bit of performance from the tank.
I'll do a chrono at this low pressure and then fill her up for the first time - I must have had around 200 shots from the 180 or 90 bar she held when I bought her...
 
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Looking good!
I'd say on high power it likes the 8.44s
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Interesting - just went out for a quick couple of mags.

I accidentally left the setting at highest of the 3 - which is where I left it after chrono last time out...after these 16 shots the gauge showed spot on 120 bar.

It is my first group at high power but air tank getting down - either the rifle likes this or I'm improving.

I do feel I'm holding on the bull better but...this is not yet convincing me that the FX C wants more air...I think I'll keep shooting this same tank of air until the groups turn to custard. 

 
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Thanks Paul - that makes a lot of sense and spells out exactly what i need to do. 

But TBH, I need to improve my shooting... at least start using a bench rest which for some reason my very old fashioned hunting trained brain tells me is cheating. Target shooting with low heart beat is just not going to happen in a paddock :-) Why I favour using my front arm and maybe FTT shooting but my arm is very clearly less stable than a rest. But rests are the status quo for much target shooting and it makes sense to do everything to get good groups while learning and especially while testing un-regulated pressure's affect on V and trajectory. I have some sand bags to fill...

Paul is there any other details with that ply bench plan? Maybe a better file? I think it's an excellent idea and just what I need for shotting across the full width of my back yard...    

I'm thinking of visiting the Morrinsville FTT meeting 26th or 27th of next month for a look-see. 

Will any of you forum members be there - it would be good to catch up...
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Yes Pete, not regulated from factory.

Mark, you are on the right track. It's best to fill it to full, which is probably 200 bar +/- Then shoot a complete shot string recording the pellet speed and tank pressure (pressure at end of every mag). In theory the first few shots will be slow, then it will rise, plateau then drop. This will give you a power curve on a graph.

So this will tell you the good working pressure to fill to and how many useful shots to expect per fill for that particular pellet. So filling over 180 bar might actually be a waste of air, and the graph will tell you at what pressure the curve starts to plateau.

Then back that data up with POI drop/rise groups.
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Thanks Pete,
No regulator on the older Cyclone. 
My somewhat subjective view is that when pressure dropped down to under 140 velocity/force starts to drop fast - I was missing some plinker steel targets that should have been easy. I'll throw some more lead around with chrono as pressure drops and see what happens...

Paul,
You fitted a regulator to yours... I assume for more consistent shots? You would need more for pest destruction I guess. I'm not yet feeling a need for a regulator but if I was shooting as straight as you expert guys do then it would become more important when pressure drops enough that it's the rifle's fault the groups open out...in which case I have a couple of old dive regulators in good nick I might use.

I think I started with the bottle at around 180 when i bought it and have put around 100 shots through it, all but 4 shots (for the chrono) at low power so my guess is I should expect the un-reg pressure drop to start showing itself.

NB You will no doubt be realising I am a bit of a propellor head and like knowing the stats...so sooner or later in the back yard I'll chrono each power setting as the pressure drops from a full tank and see what happens. I think the China-chrono is working OK but fails and needs a shade with any direct sun at all.

Wireless to phone it don't do and I paid for that and Alliexpress was not helpful at all but hey, it's a cheapie and works as well as I could expect so all good and gives me something to grizzle about - without something to bitch about we can't really be 100% happy right? :-)

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