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    Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 4:01pm
Wow that's huge magnification at those distances!
I can see why you could have trouble finding target. I'm guessing that ffp scopes aren't in use to much for ftt, the cross hairs would be like pencils at those higher mags.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:


I have a 6x24 scope and that's to much. How much magnification do you use in ftt?
Wasn't it 55 yards max?
You have to hit the target bull but where on that doesn't matter?



MY scope is 8-32x56 and that is considered entry level. Most use 10-50x60 at a min

All the targets have a hole in the middle. There is a plate behind the hole.  you have to shoot through the hole. That hits the plate and knocks the target over.

Hitting anywhere other than through this hole will not knock the target over. You get 1 point for knocking the target over. No point if you do not knock the target over.

Yes it is max 55 yards. The target has a hole size of 40mm at 55 yards. and the closer targets have smaller holes down to 12mm depending how far away you are.
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I didn't think that at all about ftt comment. It just amused me as when doing pest control they use a scope that adjusts for height automatically. It's no reflection on them as shooters nor does it say or imply that they can't shoot,range find and be totally successful with a standard scope. It was pest controllers remark that amused me, as the scopes that are being used for that aren't ftt scopes as they run range finders and ballistic apps.
That is all I was saying. I have no dought with the amount of critters they shoot that they would outshoot me in the field with a standard scope, if they have the range and hold over sussed.
None of us are doing anything you can't do, I have no dought will be doing if not already.
I'm not anyone to admire. I'm a standard bloke, doing unimpressive things and writing about them. Not worth your admiration, the others you can admire as much as you like.
But me nah.
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I don't dial I hold over. So no time wasted there.
At ten meters a hare head is 10.25 mildots (real world data, not app) at 10x zoom. (Actually on any zoom as ffp scope) that's half the scope. It's lowest mag is 6x.
When coming onto target I have both eyes open as it pulls the scope on line with where your looking.
So,find target, adjust distance, adjust zoom, find hold over and windage, shoot.
14x zoom is my usual for 60m±
I have a 6x24 scope and that's to much. How much magnification do you use in ftt?
Wasn't it 55 yards max?
You have to hit the target bull but where on that doesn't matter?



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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me


Kruzaroad,

I hope you didn't think my comment "show FTT how a pro pest destructer can shoot" was implying Pete or anyone else can show any FTT shooter how it's done. I am in no position to do that and wouldn't in any circumstances - I am in awe of just about everything all of you regular posters to the forum are doing.

Frankly, more than anything I'm having a nudge at Peter to give it a shot and would encourage anyone who can shoot to do so. I'd have a go myself but not before I had a lot of practice - it would be a waste of time with both my gear and my skills but as I said, a huge goal for me would be getting so I could hit even a few FTT targets especially in the wind.  On the other hand, if I was pest shooting or even pot hunting, hell yes, I'd use anything i could afford.

And I admire you for often taking the harder path in your shooting and for getting out there regardless of having a gun with you or or not. I'd be surprised if many have your knowledge of the game in the farms you shoot.

You might think my comments re your field skills with nature are either bullsh*t flattery or taking the piss, but you would be 100% wrong. I admire anyone who spends so much time in the field - greenie pseudo-scientists who hate anyone who kill anything have forgotten that it is the hunters and fishermen that were the first naturalist and the first to know anything much at all about the outdoors and what they hunt.

I'm also happy to admit that I'm a reader and wanna-be much more than a doer but I'd like to change that... :-)
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me


The problem with that system is your field of view. these high power scopes dont have a very wide angle and it would take way to long to find the target. then by the time you dial it in and adjust the clicks the animal would probably be long gone.
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We use high power magnification scopes like Paul said. To explain it a little better we first set up on a nice bright day with the new scope. Next we place markers out at set distances. Then you use the big side wheels on the scope to focus to that marker which you would have already measured to the set distance. Once it is in focus you know the distance of that marker. You then make a mark on the side wheel so you know the distance. you do this from 55 yards down to 10 yards.

Next you set your zero. This is the zero on the turret. to do this i normally set mine at 30 yards. So you put a target out to 30 yards I normally have a4 paper and draw a line from left to right...focus your scope to make sure it is right. then shoot at the target till you are hitting the line. Then set your scope turret to zero.

Then figure out your click chart. To do this place your target at each distance you think you will need then shoot at it while adjusting your clicks on the turret till you are hitting your line and then right the number of clicks it took to get there. You can also use software for this as well.

So when you are out in the field just focus on the target, check the distance on your side wheel and the adjust your clicks to suit and you "should" be bang on.
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I was serious. I'm fully aware you can use mildots in comp.
But you never see any of you professional pest controllers using that system in the field in your videos.
That where the comment comes from, the implication that a professional pest controller could show a ftt shooter how they do it.
I relise that it's a huge advantage for you in the field at work.
Bit like telling me I would enjoy shooting in the wind. Which is something I do, have mentioned in my posts and have a wind meter for reconising wind speed verses vegetation.
Both mute points to direct at me
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Your not allowed scopes that aim for you in ftt.

I'll take you seriously Kruz, Tongue but no, you have to do that yourself.  While there's no restrictions on scopes, apart from automated range finders, FT generally uses a large mag and objective scope so that you can determine the range by focusing the scope. The short field of focus picks out details that come into focus and then you can reference that to distance noted marks on the focus wheel.

Generally then you dial in the elevation, but some may holdover.
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Originally posted by nunga nunga wrote:

Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

Great to see a good crew there.

How did Earl and Rob do? They will be getting some good shooting time in for the worlds in USA coming uo.




Earl got 3rd in 12lbs springer after a shoot off. I cant remember what he got in PCP which is bad on my part because i added up all the score cards lol. Rob first in 12lbs springer and got second in 12lbs PCP

Will you put up results? I guess I can go to NZFTA forum for that though.  
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