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What is an average shooting country?
That's got to be the biggest load of cat trap I've ever heard.
India has a strong air rifle following high arse temps. Canada had a strong air rifle following they hit sub zero. Asian areas can be hot and have a near 100% humidity that affects flight etc etc
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The Guinness world record, .177 for distance is sub 12 foot pounds with the 7.33 gr pellet at 850 fps!

This from the guy who has done the world's furtherest shot. Big bore 1265m, 1777 yards

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thank you, with this I want to take a longer break from shooting above 1200m.
It was for a velocity of 260 m/s = 853 fps, at a higher velocity the BC would be slightly higher.
My friend from abroad who also uses ATP Smooth 49.5gr but at higher speed measured BC G1 0.238 at speeds of 294 m/s 964 fps ( end quote)
Think you better look at what fps the guns were set to not the fps they can produce. To because all of the Dr top guys aren't shooting over 1000fps

Here's a 🔗 to video. Go to very end even then you'll here them say “maybe 900fps“
https://youtu.be/FQW3x8EqZi0?si=QIhfqRaXMI6hJoca


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The “crack” is called a sonic boom and happens when an object breaks through the sound barrier, I.e. goes faster than the speed of sound (on that day, at that altitude, at that temp etc…)

As Kruza says above, speed of sound is dependent on the density of air (or other medium) it is traveling through, hence the altitude and temperature dependency. But as a general rule of thumb on most average shooting days, in most average shooting countries, it is between 1100 and 1150fps.

All the top guys who are shooting slugs in extreme long range and bench rest competitions shoot slugs between 950 and 1100 fps and you never hear any sonic booms when they are shooting.

As far as transsonic pressure waves effecting projectile stability goes, all those top guys are shooting sub moa groups at 100, 120, 150 even 200 yards. So transsonic speeds don’t seem to be effecting their slug performance in any way.

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The speed of sound in feet per second (fps) depends on the temperature and the material through which it travels:

At 0° C (32° F): The speed of sound is 1,086.9 ft/s.

At 20° C (68° F): The speed of sound is 1,130 ft/s.

At room temperature: The speed of sound is 1,125 ft/s.

The speed of sound is faster in warm air and slower in cold air. The speed of sound in water at 8° C (46° F) is about 4,721 ft/s.

Transonic is the level that both sub and super sonlc airflow start to form on different parts of the projectile,the projectile shape plays a part in that formation. It affects any projectile. It happens mostly when dropping to out of supersonic but if your right up on the edge of that speed,airflow differences created by the slug can induce the effect. Most of the stuff I've looked at has shooters around 950fps max if they want to say under transonic. As you can see temp could effect that margin.
Look at speed of sound in water.
At least that's my understanding of it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pauly5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2024 at 11:29pm
I could be wrong, but isn't any object that goes faster than sound going to create the "crack"?
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It does.
https://youtu.be/HpDKxVuRWto?si=AYxd76u6ZpF3VujU

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Ja, I'd say 1000fps is trans-sonnic, but I dont think trans-sonic applies to slugs, completely different shape to pellets.
Nothing I have ever read about slugs makes any reference to trans-sonic problems, in fact most slugs seem to perform best at 1000fps and more!
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Uuum doesnt a thousand fps put you into transonic where as 900fps doesnt?
Is this the gun your trying to sort the flyers out on.
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The drop in velocity doesn't bother me at all. Both are still pretty fast, basically 1000fps vs 900fps.

Zeored at 35 or 40 yards, their trajectories are with in a few mm of each other out to 50yards.
Basically identical out to 50y.
Where it gets interesting is if you look at the 100 yard figures...

10gr slug - at 100 yards drop is 11.9 inches, velocity 727fps, energy 11.7FPE
13,4gr slug - at 100 yards drop is 12.9 inches, velocity 731fps, energy 15.92FPE

The 13,4grain slugs are 34% (3,4grains) heavier, and leave the muzzel 10% slower than the 10grainers.
The difference in drop at 100 yards is only 1 inch, BUT, because of their much better BC the heavier slug is now traveling faster than the 10grainer, and is carrying 37% more energy.
That is amazing.
The BC's by the way are 0.047 for the 10grainer and 0.066 for the 13grainer.


I was out at that difficult race track again last night, the one with the wild rabbits you cant get close to.
The close shots are 60yards, and from there its anything out to a 100yards.
I took Little Emma and used the 13.43gr slugs. Finished on 24 rabbits and 6 hares.
Well they certainly do hit hard, which was to be expected. Unfortunately I was under pressure for time so I did not collect any rabbits for necropsys, so I still cannot tell you if they expand like the 10grainers and weither or not they pass through. But I'm sure I'll have a few carcasses to investigate in the not too distant future.
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Looking good Pete.

With the power wheel, if you feel that turning down a notch increases accuracy, will one more notch tighten again, or open the group up? Once you know that, maybe there's a sweeter spot in between those notches. Of course you then have to adjust the micro adjustment, but if you record the increments you go in, maybe you can find that sweet, sweet spot.


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