Beginner looking for Clubs around Auckland

Just got an Umarex Surgemax at Guncity Wink

My test result is, using a 1.5L spring water plastic bottle full with water.

Shooting at 4m

My Airchief Stalker Junior managed to penetrate the bottle but then the pellet leaves in the water and no hole on the back.

My Umarex Surgemax gives holes on both side of the bottle but the pellet still in the water rather than go through.

The pellet is GunCity flatnose target shooting .177

maybe roundnose or even ironpoint can do much better in bottle shooting.

But that's is the true result for 600fps and 1000fps .177 rifle.

Should mention that shoot into the bottle is very easy, even some steel bb toy pistol can do that as well, but the water inside then slows down the pellet largely and absorb lots of the energy. So there truely a power difference between junior and fullsize break barrel air rifle.

Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 2:52pm

Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps

Sorry. I mean 1500 dollars level. as bill&bobnz mentioned Wink

Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 2:26pm

Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps

Wow, 1500. I think only Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X 3rd Gen with 3-9x40scope can reach that level. Even Gamo fusion or Crossman Magfire are only around 600-700 I think?

Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 1:47pm

Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps

Some advise for you. I know kruzaroad mentioned to you earlier.

Before you start knocking on the doors of an airgun club you need to decide what direction you are going in the airgun world. Target shooting or hunting type.

I've never been a target shooter but I would imagine if you were to turn up with a cheap hunting air rifle like the ones you have mentioned you might not be allowed to shoot there. If it's target shooting your looking at doing you need to save up at least $1500 for a decent target rifle with a very good scope.

One thing you may not have thought of, is the powerful air rifles you have mentioned (even those with silencers fitted) are very loud and shooting in a tiny back yard will certainly make the neighbors a bit jumpy with shots being heard. Neighbors will not hesitate to call the police if you are not careful.

If I was you in your situation, I would take up air soft. Most guns are quiet enough for back yard shooting and there are more airsoft clubs around for joining in on club shoots. But getting into air soft is also costly to get all the gear for this sport.

thank you

Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps

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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:59pm
	another thing is my Surgemax seems very accurate with my 4x20scope once. But after changed into it's 4x32scope, can't keep that accuracy( 12m, had a group within r=2cm with 4x20scope) Still try to sight-in more accurate or figure out the problem.
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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:51pm
	Just got an Umarex Surgemax at Guncity My test result is, using a 1.5L spring water plastic bottle full with water. Shooting at 4m My Airchief Stalker Junior managed to penetrate the bottle but then the pellet leaves in the water and no hole on the back. My Umarex Surgemax gives holes on both side of the bottle but the pellet still in the water rather than go through. The pellet is GunCity flatnose target shooting .177 maybe roundnose or even ironpoint can do much better in bottle shooting. But that's is the true result for 600fps and 1000fps .177 rifle. Should mention that shoot into the bottle is very easy, even some steel bb toy pistol can do that as well, but the water inside then slows down the pellet largely and absorb lots of the energy. So there truely a power difference between junior and fullsize break barrel air rifle. Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 2:52pm
	Squirrel goes Vege @Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite @Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps

CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:34pm
	you are right. FPS is not everything. .30 bigbore Hatsan M130 has only around 550fps but shoudl have more muzzle energy than my Airchief Stalker Junior .177 600fps. another thing is, according to the review, the FPS will drop when the pellets fly out of the barrel. For example, for my Umarex Surgemax .177 Around: 6gr, 1000fps, target:800fps 8.2gr, 850fps, target:750fps 10+gr, 750fps, target:690fps So 8.2gr should be good and economic for shooting.
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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:26pm
	Sorry. I mean 1500 dollars level. as bill&bobnz mentioned Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 2:26pm
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Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:13pm
	Fps is not really the best way to rate an Air rifle. It depends a lot on the pellet you use. If you want speeds like that, you will sacrifice accuracy. You will find a pellet becomes unstable after high 900 Fps, so there's no point it going lightening fast if you can't hit anything. Shot placement will beat power most of the time. You should be able to take your gun to South Island no problem.

CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 1:44pm
	Wow, 1500. I think only Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X 3rd Gen with 3-9x40scope can reach that level. Even Gamo fusion or Crossman Magfire are only around 600-700 I think? Edited by CuteRabbit - 23 Jan 2023 at 1:47pm
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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 1:42pm
	Thanks a lot. 1500...That is a large amount... By the way, it seems that I would better play plinking back to Canterbury, big yard. Can I take the air rifles with me on ferry or flight? Or I have to sell them and buy some new rilfes when arrive south island?
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Billbobnz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Jun 2020 Location: Ashburton Status: Offline Posts: 867	Post Options Post Reply Quote Billbobnz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:15pm
	Some advise for you. I know kruzaroad mentioned to you earlier. Before you start knocking on the doors of an airgun club you need to decide what direction you are going in the airgun world. Target shooting or hunting type. I've never been a target shooter but I would imagine if you were to turn up with a cheap hunting air rifle like the ones you have mentioned you might not be allowed to shoot there. If it's target shooting your looking at doing you need to save up at least $1500 for a decent target rifle with a very good scope. One thing you may not have thought of, is the powerful air rifles you have mentioned (even those with silencers fitted) are very loud and shooting in a tiny back yard will certainly make the neighbors a bit jumpy with shots being heard. Neighbors will not hesitate to call the police if you are not careful. If I was you in your situation, I would take up air soft. Most guns are quiet enough for back yard shooting and there are more airsoft clubs around for joining in on club shoots. But getting into air soft is also costly to get all the gear for this sport.

CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:23am
	thank you. Auckland nowaday is more like a big-city and people there are very nervous when you mentioned anything about bb gun... Think thats because the very heavy police force and very narrow yards or no yard at all...
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CuteRabbit Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 Jan 2023 Location: Albany Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote CuteRabbit Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:20am
	thank you
	Squirrel goes Vege @Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite @Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps