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Topic: Beginner looking for Clubs around Auckland
Posted By: CuteRabbit
Subject: Beginner looking for Clubs around Auckland
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 12:55pm
EmbarrassedI am a total brand new beginner with my little air rifle LoL
  CrySadly, my landlord dont have a big back-yard. I can do a little 12m target shooting when he is happy with that.Embarrassed
   So just wonder if there are airgun target shooting sites or clubs and are they expensive?
   It already costs me a lot with my AirChief Stalker Junior($119), 4x20scope($20), pellets(over $30), foldable table and chair and shooting-rest(about $300)CryCryCry
   Thinking about getting a full size air rifle when I find shooting site. Considering Umarex SurgeMax ($349 with 4x32scope, gas-spring, .177, 1050fps says on box, covered by mount-rail so real-rifle looking) and Crosman series .22 but they are too expensive.
EmbarrassedWinkWink






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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:35pm
EmbarrassedCryCryanyone?

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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:54am
Good morning,

There is the North Harbor Airgun Club. I am in Wellington, so don't know the address but if you search that in Facebook you should find it. There's also another indoor club called Auckland Air Rifle Club you can search for.

One of their members is on this forum, so any problems finding them, let us know.




Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 11:05am
Or as this thread is posted in the air guns clubs section of the site, you could just look down the list.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:20am
WinkWinkWinkthank you

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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:23am
EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedthank you. Auckland nowaday is more like a big-city and people there are very nervous when you mentioned anything about bb gun... Think thats because the very heavy police force and very narrow yards or no yard at all...CryCryCry

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@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:15pm
Some advise for you. I know kruzaroad mentioned to you earlier.

Before you start knocking on the doors of an airgun club you need to decide what direction you are going in the airgun world. Target shooting or hunting type.

I've never been a target shooter but I would imagine if you were to turn up with a cheap hunting air rifle like the ones you have mentioned you might not be allowed to shoot there. If it's target shooting your looking at doing you need to save up at least $1500 for a decent target rifle with a very good scope.

One thing you may not have thought of, is the powerful air rifles you have mentioned (even those with silencers fitted) are very loud and shooting in a tiny back yard will certainly make the neighbors a bit jumpy with shots being heard. Neighbors will not hesitate to call the police if you are not careful.

If I was you in your situation, I would take up air soft. Most guns are quiet enough for back yard shooting and there are more airsoft clubs around for joining in on club shoots. But getting into air soft is also costly to get all the gear for this sport.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 1:42pm
CryCryThanks a lot. 1500...That is a large amount...Cry
By the way, it seems that I would better play plinking back to Canterbury, big yard. Can I take the air rifles with me on ferry or flight? Or I have to sell them and buy some new rilfes when arrive south island?


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@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 1:44pm
EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedWow, 1500. I think only Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X 3rd Gen with 3-9x40scope can reach that level. Even Gamo fusion or Crossman Magfire are only around 600-700 I think?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:13pm
Fps is not really the best way to rate an Air rifle.
It depends a lot on the pellet you use. If you want speeds like that, you will sacrifice accuracy. You will find a pellet becomes unstable after high 900 Fps, so there's no point it going lightening fast if you can't hit anything.
Shot placement will beat power most of the time. You should be able to take your gun to South Island no problem.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:26pm
WinkWinkSorry. I mean 1500 dollars level. as bill&bobnz mentionedWink

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:34pm
EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedyou are right. FPS is not everything. .30 bigbore Hatsan M130 has only around 550fps but shoudl have more muzzle energy than my Airchief Stalker Junior .177 600fps.
another thing is, according to the review, the FPS will drop when the pellets fly out of the barrel.
For example, for my Umarex Surgemax .177
Around: 6gr, 1000fps, target:800fps
             8.2gr, 850fps, target:750fps
             10+gr, 750fps, target:690fps
             So 8.2gr should be good and economic for shooting.


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:51pm
Just got an Umarex Surgemax at GuncityWink
My test result is, using a 1.5L spring water plastic bottle full with water.
Shooting at 4m
My Airchief Stalker Junior managed to penetrate the bottle but then the pellet leaves in the water and no hole on the back.
My Umarex Surgemax gives holes on both side of the bottle but the pellet still in the water rather than go through.
The pellet is GunCity flatnose target shooting .177
maybe roundnose or even ironpoint can do much better in bottle shooting.
But that's is the true result for 600fps and 1000fps .177 rifle.

Should mention that shoot into the bottle is very easy, even some steel bb toy pistol can do that as well, but the water inside then slows down the pellet largely and absorb lots of the energy. So there truely a power difference between junior and fullsize break barrel air rifle.


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 2:59pm
Cryanother thing is my Surgemax seems very accurate with my 4x20scope once.
But after changed into it's 4x32scope, can't keep that accuracy( 12m, had a group within r=2cm with 4x20scope) Still try to sight-in more accurate or figure out the problem.Cry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 3:06pm
you will need to shoot at least 500 pellets before the rifle will settle down. Then you will need to find a pellet that it likes. After that you should worry about changing scopes. Pointless changing things on a new rifle until it runs its self in.


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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 7:37pm
CryCry?seems should buy an expensive GAMO or Crossman then?Cry
How many rounds the Stalker junior or Surgemax can last before the piston smashed? 1000rounds or 2000rounds?Embarrassed


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 8:35pm
Dude you really need to start looking at how how airguns work.
I really don't think you have been listening to what advise ppl have been trying to give you.
So tell me what do you want the air gun for. Target shooting, hunting, both.
Because at the moment you just all over the place with what your looking at.
Go and buy a really expensive gamo, the most powerful they have. Get the 10 shot magnum. Make sure its cool, really cool like a real rifle. Then join a gun club. Then start target shooting with it. When you find out power and expense and coolness do not always make for the best gun, and you realise that you have may just have wasted your money for what you were looking for, come back ask the question again and listen to advise some of these guys have given you. There are some very experiance shooters here. They have done the hard yards. They build and alter thier rifles. They are target shooters and hunters. They tend to offer sound advise. If I had joined this site and asked about air rifles before I rushed out and brought that gamo ( I had was swayed by 10shot mag) I know I would have brought a gun much more suited to my needs.
But as I say go buy an expensive gamo magnum for target shooting.
Put of point of interest gamo has a coloir system with thier bands around stock. I think it's green is hunting, red is hunting and recreation, blue is target. I've never seen a blue banded gamo.
   


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:17pm
TongueTongueWinkYou are right. Just haven't find a shop with those classical brand I think?
Seems like I will start with a pop level in GunCity... sadlyCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:21pm
EmbarrassedThank you. and the first 500 rounds is about the rifled barrel? My stalker jr. and surgemax are not rifled I think?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 10:05pm
It's very unlikely that your guns arnt rifled. Look down the barrel.
No you don't have to start with gun city. Start by looking on the Web, and reading reviews. Start by looking up the difference between a cheap air gun, medium and expensive.
Go to gun City and tell them you want to by a air rifle but would like to try a couple a of shots. They may well have a shooting range out back.
If they do, shoot a couple of differnt guns and don't buy any. Then go to anther store try the same thing differnt guns.
There is no rush.
Practic your shooting with your air chief. You will benifit more from taking your time to learn about air guns. Before you get your new one.
Are you aware of adjustable triggers, that you need to check the tension of screws, things come loose, accuracy goes out the window.
Adjusting stuff. Example is your question how long before the piston explodes! Never unless it's the crappie St air gun ever, however the seal will wear, you can replace that.
Some oils are not good to use with your guns.
In less than a. Year I've had then given away a gamo ( to someone who uses and likes his gamo) brought a tx200 and scope, Swapped that for a sig ( but kept the scope. A good quality scope can be changed from gun to gun and I'll pay for a good quality scope for that reason.
Brought a cheap pistol that is easy to work on.
Brought a cheap rifle for same reason.
Hoping to get a weihrauch next month in 22 ( I may not like it and get rid of it but if I do then I have a good rifle to last me in 22 as well as the good 177 I have.
Its a very complex world air rifles, lot of good and bad, lot to learn.
Take your time make your next gun something that suits you.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 12:42am
CryThat's pretty old fashion I had to say.
Auckland seems a little bit different though,
you know staff there just want to sell smthing to you or leave you to have a look.
They can only break the barrel, show the joint but not cock it. seems because no space for shooting if cock it.
Cry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 12:46am
What utter crap. Your talking through a hole in your arse.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 1:23am
CryCryCryha, you are right! just checked my barrels.
They are rifled !
Just cheap rifles never mentioned the rifled steel barrel in their descriptionCryCryCry
Then that should be cool with rifled barrel.


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 1:42am
That's a whole new thing again involving twist rates, how the barrel was made, length, thickness, harmonic vibration, crowns. Pcp go to a another lvl in tunability compared to springers.
Bsa and gamo are both owned by the same company, but bsa have a pretty good reputation for thier barrel making method. lothar walther barrels seem to have a good name for after market barrels.
I watched a video that was talking about FX barrels that were smooth but twisted as they formed them to induce spin. A barrel that was smooth till just near the end then rifled.
Look up barrel twist rates, look up what affect does barrel length have, look up air gun barrel manufactor process. Look up barrel crowns. Look up how does harmonic vibration affect poi,look up tuning a rifle barrel.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 2:04am
I see you removed the post you put up about barrels being smooth bore under 300 dollars cuterabbit. For those who are wondering why I put that's utter crap etc, it was in reply to the most long winded utter crap you have ever read about barrel rifling not being used in air guns under $300 then proceeded to list a whole heap of guns that didn't have rifled barrels. All of them rifled. He removed the post.
Anyway cuterabbit. That's it from me.
I haven't decided if your for real or just someone trolling but I'll let the more experiance forum members help you with your epic air gun knowledge.
Enjoy the forum. Enjoy your air gunning. Spend some time learning, lots of time practicing and welcome to the world of air gunning. It's not just point and shoot if you want to get seriously into it.


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 9:11am
Sometimes it hard to give advice when you already know everything.


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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 10:03am
CryCryCryyeah, remove that part just for it is too detailed and avoid someone just read or google that part which is a total wrong info.
Wonder why there are not too much info about air rifle barrel on youtube. most are a little bit commercial review.
Got that wrong because once asked one staff why Gamo is much more expensive and the answer is a better rifled barrel. I got it wrong that cheap rifles are with smooth bore. Searching descriptions about rifles on GunCity or other Shops, and just find only expensive rifles mentioned rifled steel barrel. For example, BSA silentium even mentioned the cold hammer forged barrel used but not saying it is rifled, so weird some how???ShockedShockedShocked 


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 10:10am
Check out this site.
There's a series of videos called air gunning 101.
It explains a lot of things.
https://youtube.com/@AirArmsHuntingSA


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 10:57am
WinkThanks

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@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 10:34pm
The Gamo Magnum is a great choice. I have G2 model and the 10 shot mag can be a bit iffy between 1 and 2 but otherwise a good rifle and really powerful.

I totally get the Auckland dilemma. If you come this way (Tararua) come and shoot some targets at our rural place.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 1:15am
WinkThanks.
Tararua has clubs and sites?


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by CuteRabbit CuteRabbit wrote:

WinkThanks.
Tararua has clubs and sites?


We have a local NZDA which I am a member of. And a Rifle club a few minutes walk from here which I am not a member of but could join.

As for sites - its a rural area so backyard or neighbors paddock is as good as any.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 11:10pm
Clap

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@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 10:39am
as mentioned, decide what air rifle shooting you want to do;

Back yard plinking - low power is fine. If you know your neighbours; talk to them and let them know you want to shoot and will set up an appropriate backstop to ensure no pellet leaves your yard. invite them to see to be reassured. If they know what you are up to there is less concern that they will call police.

Target shooting - if you want to get into target shooting there is North Shore air rifle club, and Auckland Air Rifle club based in Howick. Both will allow all types of air rifle, howick I know has a lot of beginners and also junior shooters.
Most work their way up to target rifles,as they hone their skills to get the best score possible, with top of the line being the Air Arms TX200, which last retailed at $1500 for the rifle only, and high magnification scopes from around $400 for a Hawke Vantage.
Then there are PCP rifles ranging up to $3000+
(Remember with target shooting its not always about beating everyone else, but you improve your own skills by trying to beat your own last score)
Target shooting doesnt require huge power - low power is easier to shoot accurately

Hunting / Pest control - killing an animal requires a combination of equipment and skill;
1) You need enough power to ensure an efficient kill
2) Your gun and pellet combination needs the accuracy to ensure consistent shot placement to hit the vital organs to ensure efficient kill
3) You need the shooting skill to achieve the shot placement to ensure an efficient kill.
An animal may be a pest species but doesnt deserve to suffer.

If you are in Auckland, go visit Youngs Airguns on Dominion Road, its a dedicated airgun store and Ron has good knowledge - hes been around 40 years. He has a wide range of guns to look at, Gun City only stocks the few they make the most money on.
A Gamo from Gun City for $1000 is not a wise investment, you can get a German made Weihrauch or Diana for that money and you have a gun with pin point accuracy if you do your part, and will also last decades.

Have fun is the main thing


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