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RangerPete
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Posted: 09 Feb 2025 at 2:14pm |
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Looking good, cant wait to see it when its all finished.
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Pauly5
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Posted: 09 Feb 2025 at 1:47pm |
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First bit of progress here for a while.
I have made a start on what I call the cocking plate. This is part of the bolt lockup very similar to what I have done on another build. Bolt will be straight pull, but be spring loaded and will lock into and locate into place being held captive when loaded. It just a piece of mild steel, but I squared it up in the mill and countersunk the 4 screws that will hold it in place. ![]() |
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Pauly5
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Posted: 16 Jan 2025 at 1:54pm |
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Hi y'all, I got the lawns done tonight then went into the garage to do a bit more work on the pistol.
I had been struggling trying to find a leak. At first I thought it was a line on the inside of the tube from production, so I honed it with 300 grit on a dowel in the lathe. It wasn't this, so I took a serious look at my O ring grooves and I had left a small ridge on the sealing side of it. removing this seems to have done the job. I reassembled the pistol and fired a shot over the chrony, and very interestingly it only read about 4 fpe. I figured this was due to it being too close because the next shot, from further away was better than I expected at a healthy 19.77 fpe. I still have to make the lockup device for the bolt/probe, so I am holding the probe in to fire. On the next shot I got 20.98 fpe. I have learnt that making sure there are no leaks in the transfer port area has a big impact on the power output and you can loose a lot of energy through leaks. I had cut a tapered lead into the barrel and I need to get a slightly thicker probe O ring too as it gets blown out of it's groove, so once I get that and the lock up sorted I am likely to see over 20 fpe for this .25 cal puppy. I don't know how accurate it will be, but I am very happy with the results so far. 26.23 grn pellet @ 600 fps ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: 28 Dec 2024 at 8:07am |
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Nice work - looks great!
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Posted: 27 Dec 2024 at 3:05pm |
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It’s looking great! Healthy power too
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Posted: 26 Dec 2024 at 5:07pm |
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I got a little bit more done today. Enough to fill and fire. I had been having trouble getting the poppet valve to seal. I was trying to get angles to match to no success so opted for a polished flat sealing surface which worked.
Here's photo and it's first chrony reading. there's still a lot to do, but it's nice actually firing it now. Just over 15 ft/lb at around 1200 psi in 25 cal. ![]() |
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Posted: 24 Dec 2024 at 3:11pm |
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The main thing with drilling stainless is high feed and lower speed. It is not the heat that hardens stainless. Regular 304 and 316 are non heat-hardenable. They only become softer with heat. But they work-harden very readily (316 moreso). So applying too little pressure to the drill causes it to skim along the surface without starting a chip. This work-hardens the surface you're trying to drill. The problem with heat is that it blunts the cutting edge of the drill which leads to work-hardening of the stainless, accelerating the issue. HSS with cobalt can handle higher temperature.
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BC_Clark
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Posted: 24 Dec 2024 at 2:48pm |
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Looking good Pauly. Pity about the radius cutter not being as advertised. The inlet screw does not really need the flat down the side and it causes more stress on the o-ring to force it around a non-round shape. The air flows past a regular screw anyway but if you must fill faster you can get a similar effect by oversizing the tap drill to 4.5 for M5 and leave the screw standard. When you have stainless parts with a lot of machining time in them and the fastener isn't working close to its capacity, it is advised to use larger tap drills to avoid broken taps. Just adding 0.1mm can go from from walking on ice, to a walk in the park. Anyone not having fun with stainless should try 303 grade for machining. Not only stronger than 304 and 316 but much nicer to machine. |
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JasonEdward
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 6:24am |
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Yeah I thought a nice sharp drill was all i needed to drill S/S.
Blunted drills, hardened stainless and a fitter mate taught me the error of my ways. ![]() |
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 4:25am |
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Lol.
Sweet Pauly. Be a shame to have to use a less durable metal. Looking forward to progress resaults on pistols now you've beaten this problem. |
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Pauly5
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 4:01am |
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Quick update on drilling. New bits arrived, halved drill speed, used new paste and it cuts like butter.
What a relief, I was starting to hate stainless.
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Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 9:49am |
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I had a good drill bit, but too much speed. Have got a couple of good 135 deg cobalt bits from Sulco now.
Appreciate the help guys.
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Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 8:43am |
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Hard steel equals very slow drill speeds and use thread cutting paste with it. The slower you go the better. High speeds will only burn out your drill bit and work harden the metal even more. Those gold coated so called titanium bits are crap. Only good for soft metals like alloy.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 5:19pm |
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Yeah but the flooding pulls heat away from the metal and drill constantly, which im assuming a paste wouldn't, or at least as well.
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Pauly5
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Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 5:11pm |
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Thanks Kruz. Yea, I now have a couple of cobalt 4.2 mm bits on the way with the 135 deg point. I was probably spinning the drill at around 1000 rpm, so far too fast. I did a test hole at around 400 rpm and it was day and night.
I got RTD metal cutting compound. Its a paste that sticks to the bit as opposed to flooding it.
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