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Topic: Kia Ora all.
Posted By: kruisn
Subject: Kia Ora all.
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 2:45pm
Thought I had better introduce myself before asking newbie questions (after a search).

Had a Game air pistol in my youth and found it very accurate and fun to use. However when the seals finally perished I was unable to buy new replacements, Youngs Airguns were unable to help. 
No internet then so after many phone calls I had to throw it away (very sad).

Now I am looking for an .22 air rifle (not PCP) for targets and rodents. Got quite keen on the "Gamo Swarm 10x Gen3i" but when doing research found a few cons that existed and the memories of the pistol seals.

So I have been looking at more traditional makes on the web and available in NZ. Getting more confused by the minute.
Angry The Diana 350 N-tech looks exiting as does the Weihrauch 80 SL. Both are at the limit of funds (allowing for a poss scope).
I am not asking for help (although thoughts on the matter from you more expert members would help)Wink.
Just introducing my self.
Regards
Bryan.




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Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 3:28pm
Welcome to the forum Bryan.  It's a very useful tool for those of us interested in Airguns.

I'm no expert by any means, but knowing what I do now and if I were in your position again, I'd spend the extra to buy a decent quality brand.

You can't go wrong with a Weihrauch or air Arms and I do like my Cometa Fenix 400.

From my personal experience (meaning I bought one, hated it and sold it) I wouldn't buy another Norica, Stoega, Benjamin or Air Chief.  That leaves a few others such Diana, BSA, Hatsan, Umarex, Beeman  and Crosman that I have no experience with.  It's also possible the more expensive of the Benjamin range may be OK.

I'm sure that there are plenty of members with far more experience than me who will chirp in and help narrow the field down for you.




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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Diana Outlaw .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Crosman 2240 PCP Custom .22
Crosman 2250 PCP Custom .22
Brocock Grand Prix .22


Posted By: kruisn
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 3:34pm
Hi KiwiTR6, (Triumph TR6?)
Thanks for your input, much appreciated. Will take it on board.
Cheers.
Bryan.


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by kruisn kruisn wrote:

Hi KiwiTR6, (Triumph TR6?)
Thanks for your input, much appreciated. Will take it on board.
Cheers.
Bryan.

Yes that's correct, sold it last weekend to another guy with his name spelt exactly the same as yours. I can now move around my shed (and indoor shooting range) without having to worry about damaging the paintwork....


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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Diana Outlaw .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Crosman 2240 PCP Custom .22
Crosman 2250 PCP Custom .22
Brocock Grand Prix .22


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 4:59pm
Greetings.
My honest opion is, if your going to shoot targets out past 25-30m,possibly hares rabbits etc, spend the extra.
You need the quality to get past that in a springer(in my view)
If your shooting 20m-30m target and rodents birds close range, there are a few cheaper guns that will do the job.
I swear by crossman 1322 for birds, target shooting to 30m (it gets dodgy after that)
Longer barrel, stock, steel breach, new bolt plus gun 500ish.
But in general it's worth the extra in my view.
Vaughans in upper hut is the nz gamo distribution,if your still looking for seals.
Great ppl to deal with in my experiance.


Posted By: kruisn
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 5:32pm
Hi Kruzaroad,

Great advice, I have been reading your very knowledgable posts.
Probably won't bother the Gamo distributors as I did get rid of the pistol some 20 years ago.
Seems that as in most areas you get what you pay for.
Really enjoy your gun reviews.
Cheers.Thumbs Up
Bryan.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 5:36pm
Dude I'm in no way more than a newbie to the air gun world.
There are guys on here with a wealth of knowledge and skills.
Great to have you on board. Will be keen to see what you end up with and how you find it to shoot.


Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 5:51pm
Welcome, look forward to regular updates.

Yes there is so much information that it will get confusing.
My advice: define the usage and take your time, read the forum reviews.
The British do great stuff with sub 12 ft/lbs so it is not all about power.
Quality second hand units would be my choice.

Most important: trigger, trigger and the trigger.

Gamo: from my posts, you will see I own many, but will never recommend the magnum units.
Multi-Shot units, I struggle to see the benefit, air guns are meant to be simple and easy to maintain.
Gamo make some mid-power rifles where the trigger is not as stressed so remains usable.

Walking about for pest control then consider weight.
Scopes - go for lifetime warranties.


Posted By: Declan
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 6:43pm
Welcome to the forum. I reckon that many of today’s springers are pretty good and will outshoot most of their owners.
No matter your choice you are bound to end up with something that meets your needs.
My other observation is that the top of the range springers like Air Arms and Weihrauch have spare parts readily available. However the guns do cost more and it might well be better buy then throw away the cheaper units when they fail in a few years and buy another. That way if technology changes or improves you are keeping up with the latest guns.


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 7:33pm
Welcome Kruisn,

You do know you are asking one of "those" questions right, like how long is a piece of string....
For my 2 cents worth, if you can afford a Weihrauch, get it.
End of story.
LOL
I could write two pages on why u should get a Weihrauch, or an AirArms, but the short version is if you have taken the time to reach out to an air gun forum you are obviously serious about getting an air rifle, so get yourself a quality rifle and just be a happy air gunner...
Life's too short for cheep crap Wink



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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2024 at 9:23am
G'day Kruisn,

Welcome aboard. My thoughts are echo'd in most of these comments.

Depending on funds, and if I had to buy a springer now, I would be looking Weihrauch - 97k, 98, 95 or any other, Air Arms tx200, Cometa Fenix. There's a nice FWB looking to be sold atthe moment too.

But the bottom line is that these well engineered guns built with good tollerances and sturdy materials will serve you well and last. And don't be wow'd by impressive claims of 1200 fps.

Other brands that use plastics on critical parts just won't last, and will get sloppy. This also means that buying a good brand second hand, you will still get a good gun.

The other important factor is the trigger. If it has a nice adjustable trigger, this will go a long way to accuracy.

There seems to be a few decent guns going through trademe recently. I see there's an English made Webley on at the moment, although I don't know anything about it other than the English ones are better than the Turkish ones.

Keep us posted, it's quite enjoyable seeing someones journey to a purchase.




Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2024 at 9:58am
Welcome Bryan!

Buy that Weihrauch 80 SL!!! You'll never be happier! Smile  And as it's so powerful and so accurate, .22 would be best in my opinion if you're thinking of hunting with it too?

That would be my next purchase, along with an Element Helix scope (4-16x) in Sports Match rings.

All Weihrauch's are Keepers - they make the best springers in the world and their triggers are sublime!!! They will give you, your children and your grandchildren hours and hours of happiness! They last forever!

If you're in the North Island, you are welcome to come and try mine on my ranges here near Feilding.... just PM me.



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Air Arms S510 US .22
Air Arms S410 .22
Weihrauch HW97KT .177
Weihrauch HW95 .177


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2024 at 10:25am
What is the primary use of the gun you are going to buy?
The one thing I'm thinking through all this what does your rodent shooting require?
There's not much point in having a powerful rifle that's going to pass thru rodents, most likely around structors (assumption) and ricochet.
As mentioned before a sub 12ftp has been proven by the English to be effective at distance and probly safer around structors.
I totally agree with the get higher quality, but is it practical for your use.
Also need to be sure the gun suits you.
TX was a beautiful gun, not quite right for me.
Sig beautiful gun, not keen on cal for hunting.
Weihrauch seems to be working out.
None I would use for rat shooting around the implent sheds, wool shed, garage or house.
Or birds with the exception of pidgeon or magpie in the trees away from house. (even then I've heard ricochet at 30mish.


Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2024 at 1:33pm
Welcome!
Airguns are fun. any you get will be fun to use.

It really depends on what you want to use it for... my recommendations:

if its pest control - go for .22, something around 18 footpound.
If its targets then go for .177, flatter trajectory, smaller holes. something around 16 footpound is fine.
If you want to do a little pest control too, the .177 will be fine for birds and rabbits.

Dont buy gamo, they arent made to last, theyre over-sprung and horible to shoot.

Hatsan, Crosman, Benjamin, Stoeger - kinda all on par - they are ok as low budget pest control guns - accuracy fine with the right pellets, trigger average but ok for out in the field.

Step up in price to Cometa - a vast improvement on the trigger - nice and adjustable, can be made predictable, crisp and light. Build quality is good, good accurate barrels.
I got a .177 Cometa Fusion as my first proper air gun, and it would stack pellets all day at 25yard range i shoot at.

Diana would be a step up from Cometa - german made, quality guns, better trigger.

Step up again to Weihrauch - the HW80 in .22 is a great pest control gun - high powder, solid, youll be able to hand it down to your kids and grandkids with their build quality.
Rekord triggers are among the best of the sporting air rifles. Theyve been around for decades, and parts are readily available if you do need a repair.
HW97 is a fantastic gun, lower in power means less recoil, heavy weight i find helps stability. Great gun for serious target shooting.
HW95 - great option for lower power and easier to shoot than the HW80 with less recoil

Air Arms TX200 is awesome, finished with a deep shiny blueing you only see on fine British firearms. Triggers are every bit as good as the HW97 (i prefer the AA), just as accurate - it'l stack pellets in the same hole if you do your part.
Shoots smoother than the HW97 as it has synthetic bearings on the piston to reduce frisction and generally less twang than the HW. 
Problem is finding one, theyve been sold out quite some time, and I believe the new stock coming will be the newer Ultimate Sporter ones, whioch i cant see being less than $2k RRP
 



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Air Arms TX200('s)
Theoben Sirocco
HW77
FWB 300s
Webley Patriot
One or two others...

Current projects:
Too many..



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