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Topic: My DIY pellet trap
Posted By: KiwiTR6
Subject: My DIY pellet trap
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 8:55pm
Thought I should post some basic details of my pellet trap after checking its condition following some alignment shots with my new Wildcat .25 cal tonight.

It's based on the standard duct sealant design you'll find on Youtube with a few differences. 

The sides are sawn pine with 12mm ply front and rear panels.  Inside the rear panel is some 3mm alloy checker plate (as a backstop) with strips of duct seal about 25-30mm thick pressed onto it.
On the front of that I fastened with small nails into the timber sides (staples just bent over) thin Kevlar fabric that I'd purchased from AliExpress, folded into about 10 layers and sewn together with the wife's sewing machine.

To hold the targets I use some scrap Coreflute cut to size and small blobs of Blutack.

The Kevlar is pretty mangled now but even though it's mono-directional it still stops most pellets dead at the 10m range I use it 99% of the time.  I thought they would eventually make their way through the mangled fibres into the sealant and I'm sure many have, but most seem to either fall back or get hung up.  Ive attached some photos of the JSB Heavies I used tonight, the really mangled one was caught in the Kevlar fibres and the other two were one on top of the other deep in the sealant.

Anyway, it works better than I expected so I thought it might be of interest.  If anyone wants a full build guide let me know -  I'm happy to add a more detailed description to this post.












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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)



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Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2024 at 9:41pm
Nice work. I have a pellet trap that’s filled with shredded tyre.
Slide in 5mm MDF as a back board to mount the target, then about 200mm deep of tyre at the back.
Only problem is it’s hefty and weighs about 10kg..

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https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns
Air Arms TX200('s)
Theoben Sirocco
HW77
FWB 300s
Webley Patriot
One or two others...

Current projects:
Too many..


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 1:40am
Interesting pellet trap Kiwi, but what I’d really like to see is pics of ur ew Wildcat .25!!!!

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 6:15am
That's a great design.
If your not getting ricochet at 10m definitely doing it's job well.
Put a more detailed build up. Be good to see and potentially just what someone visiting the site may be looking for as a DIY pellet trap.


Posted By: Declan
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 8:22am
Nice work. What are the clips you’ve used to hold the paper target in place please?


Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Declan Declan wrote:

Nice work. What are the clips you’ve used to hold the paper target in place please?


I may be wrong but they look line mouse traps??
Great idea if they are!


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https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns
Air Arms TX200('s)
Theoben Sirocco
HW77
FWB 300s
Webley Patriot
One or two others...

Current projects:
Too many..


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 11:10am
Originally posted by Declan Declan wrote:

Nice work. What are the clips you’ve used to hold the paper target in place please?


The metalwork from a couple of cheap mouse traps repurposed!  When I get around to filling all of the collateral pellet damage and repainting the front panel I'll relocate one of them to the top center position and remove the second - two is overkill :)  I used these as they were cheap and I figured they would be less likely to cause ricochet issues than say a pressed steel paper clamp.

The Coreflute sits in a slotted piece of timber at the base.


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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by RangerPete RangerPete wrote:

Interesting pellet trap Kiwi, but what I’d really like to see is pics of ur ew Wildcat .25!!!!


Just for you Pete!

Currently fitted with a DonnyFL suppressor and my Vixen 4-16x44 scope.  I have a Pard DS35 for it as well but I'll start with the standard optics.




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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 12:59am
Jealous

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 7:48am
Great job there. I'm guessing the hits around the edge are from testing the $100 gun?Big smile

The WC looks great. I got a couple of printed mags from Orion Iguana for mine, and they are really good mags if you are ever after more.


Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 9:00am
Anyone tried the STUD mags? 
https://www.dlhdev.com/
He reckons the FX mags damage slugs / pellets causing accuracy issues and these mags are the solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_U-133bMTg&t=632s


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 12:20pm
Don't know anything about the fx but my gamo was damaging pellets off its mag system.
It would seem to me that any system that requires a pellet to be pushed through one chamber to another with no way correcting a slightly off line pellet, weather it be it was undersized, or oversized, it runs the risk of damaging a pellet.
There is also the problem of the probe possibly not fitting a pellet as well as it should (no one seems to make pellet specific probes) (I'll have one for hades and one for AA field in 22 Pauly 😁) and causing a pellet to move from the mag to barrel.Espially if there is a big lead in to the rifling.
Even in single shot with the 1322 I have times when the pellet starts grab as I push it with the bolt. To correct this I point the gun down and correct with my finger, where upon it tends to fall happily all the way into the barrel.
Air rifle mags don't load a whole cartridge and as such don't have a long brass cylinder to help with alignment. Any misalignment is going to directly affect the projectile.
Though this can be reduced with tight tolerance on parts, if your not sorting pellets you still run into the issue of missized pellets.
I'm assuming a slug would receive damage along the sloped edge and nose if this were to happen.
This is my view and I have never done any testing to back this up.
I think any mag has the potential to damage a pellet and the alignment of the system and the amount of play between the mag and rifling engagement is going to be a big factor in this.
As I said, this is speculation on my behalf and is not backed up by any data I have to hand.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 12:27pm
As a side note, revolvers, which is the closest to the mags used in this example do not preload the bullet into the barrel. All alignment is done in the cylinder with the bullet being left to jump the gap between the cylinder and barrel. It is ready lined up before a huge force creates the jump.


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

Great job there. I'm guessing the hits around the edge are from testing the $100 gun?Big smile

The WC looks great. I got a couple of printed mags from Orion Iguana for mine, and they are really good mags if you are ever after more.


Hi Paul.

Yes, damage from the challenge gun and a few others during initial scope alignment.  I really should be doing that outdoors with a big backing board but that's too much hassle.

I also have a couple of the Orion Iguana mags in bright green so there's no mistaking which gun they're for!  Very similar to the STUD mag and the same price.


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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 6:12am
I’ve only ever owned one revolver, a Taurus Raging Bull in .454 Casull.
Once the bullet left the cylinder it crossed a tiny gap (less the a mill) and entered a cone shaped area called the “forcing cone” the mouth of which was slightly bigger then the bore, and just incase the cylinder hadn’t locked up and aligned correctly, it “forced” the bullet into alignment with the barrel as it passed through. It was only about 5mm long before the lands and grooves started but it seemed to work.
From the many hundereds of reloads I put through that revolver, (shooting a 375gr lump of lead, from a hand gun!!!) I can’t recall any flyers, it must have worked.
I wonder if air rifle manufacturers have ever tried a design like that. All it would require is a slightly longer pellet probe to push through the additional 5mm, and a slightly longer stroke of the cocking/loading action.

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 7:35am
In theory, if the pellet probe was a similar size to the pellet, it would  "hold back" the force of the spring loaded revolving mag from closing on the skirt of the pellet.

Most mags seem to be spring loaded because it is easier than making a mechanism in the breech to revolve a mag. The earlier Wildcats used this type of system.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 7:54am
That's Interesting. I'd never thought much about it, but makes scence.
A spring loaded mag would start it's rotation as soon as the the pellet left the mag.
If the probe remains in the mag during the shot it would be holding the spring pressure of the mag against the probe.
Do the mags have an lock that system that holds the mag in place till the bolt is retracted? Wether that be a pin or some system.
Surely they must or logic would say that over time that wear would occur from the bolt being drawn back through the mag while it was excerting pressure on it.


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 1:15pm
My Evanix AR6 has a rotary mag just like a revolver.  Pressurised air pushes the pellet out of the mag and through the barrel with some minor leakage from each face of the mag where it fits into the breach.  The mag rotates to the next chamber when the hammer is cocked (if all works as it should!).

Part #3 in the parts diagram below.










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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 8:24pm
What's your view of it.
Do pellets ever jam?
Do think you lose much power from the air leakage.
Just watched a Video on one. Should do a review looks like an interesting set up.


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2024 at 1:20pm
It's  a pretty cool gun but now relegated to a future project as it was faulty when I bought it off Gun City.  It's got plenty of power (reputedly 60ftlb) but the mag stopped rotating soon after I got it.  The push lever was well worn and I've played around with it but still needs more work.  It's also started leaking air between the cylinder and the breach as my makeshift seal hasn't worked so it blows air back into your eye LOL


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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2024 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

That's Interesting. I'd never thought much about it, but makes scence.
A spring loaded mag would start it's rotation as soon as the the pellet left the mag.
If the probe remains in the mag during the shot it would be holding the spring pressure of the mag against the probe.
Do the mags have an lock that system that holds the mag in place till the bolt is retracted? Wether that be a pin or some system.
Surely they must or logic would say that over time that wear would occur from the bolt being drawn back through the mag while it was excerting pressure on it.

The probe stops mag from rotating. Then as the bolt is drawn back the spring is allowed to rotate the next pellet into place. This is the point skirt damage can occur as it is the pellet that stops the barrel in the mag from rotating further. These kind of spring loaded mags are common. Benjamin Marauder style, FX to name a couple.

Air Arms and earlier FX, Weihrauch etc have a system where a small lever rotates the mag into place, and so no damage occurs. Tghen there are spring loaded ones like Brocock that don't damage the pellets because they have a locating mechanism to stop the pellet in the right position.

Most of these can still be double loaded. Pretty sure Weihrauch have an anti double load mechanism though. I'm talking the HW100 series of Weihrauch,


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2024 at 2:51pm
Bloody ell, you'd have to fair force a second pellet in to double load.
I have gone to twice on 1322 as the extended probe pushes far enough not to be able to see it. Both times the extra loadong force on the bolt alerted me to it.
Having the bolt retain the pressure of a mag is rediculous! It just creates a wear point at the same places in the plastic mag and will be pushing the bolt to one side.
Time for me to look into mags I think.


Posted By: Declan
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2024 at 12:34pm
I thought your use of mouse traps was very clever. I’ve purchased some to use on my target board. So cheap at only $1.65 for two. Thanks for sharing.


Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2024 at 10:32pm
OK, here are the construction details of my trap as promised (apologies for the very average draughting work).



Materials List (a lot of this I had laying around the shed)

100x25 sawn pine
12mm plywood
3.0mm aluminium checker plate
C/sunk wood screws
Panduit DS5 duct sealing compound - 2 x 5lb blocks (purchased from Element14 for around $50 each with free freight)
Kevlar sheet (purchased from Aliexpress for around $50 delivered)

The box was constructed from pine sides with ply front and rear panels.  There is a large cutout in the front panel and two small holes in the top of the rear panel to enable me to hang it on the wall.  All of this was screwed together with c/sunk screws, the front panel then being removed for the next step.






The next moves were to cut a couple of scrap pieces of checker plate to size and fasten them in place with tacks placed around the perimeter and then to open the two boxes of duct sealant and split them along their length.  The four pieces were then laid onto the alloy and firmly pressed down into place working the edges to flatten the material as best I could.  The stuff is very tacky so bonds strongly to the alloy.









The final layer is Kevlar (aramid fibre) sheet.  I thought I'd ordered woven fabric but upon arrival I found that it was mono-directional supported on a plastic backing sheet.  This resulted in some discussion with the supplier and a refund, so I don't have the direct link.  However, I decided to use it anyway and folded the sheet into multiple layers which I then used the wife's sewing machine to secure together.  This has actually worked very well so in good conscience I ended up contacting the store and paying them back.

From memory the sheet was 0.5 x 2.0m, so I ended up with about 6 layers.  Initially I tried stapling it to the timber sides, but the staples just bent over, they couldn't puncture it.  So a few more tacks were used to keep it in place.





After this the front panel was refitted a bottom slot mount for the Coreflute target backing to sit in was fabricated from a couple of pieces of thin timber and a couple of mouse trap mechanisms were repurposed at each top corner.  In hindsight a single trap at the top centre position would be quite adequate and probably easier to use.



While I was at it I made up a couple of pivoting side plates that I can secure to some bolts on each side so the trap can be used free-standing with adjustment if the surface isn't level.  I haven't bothered with dimensions for these as they're not really necessary but can be easily made using the images below as a guide.  I actually fitted the bolts for these before I installed the duct sealant.




The whole lot was then painted with a couple of coats of my favourite PA10 paint (grey on this occasion) and it was ready for use Smile



I currently have it mounted on the wall of my car shed and it's performed very well so far, a huge advance on the rag-filled cardboard box that preceded it!  However, with 10lb of sealant it's no lightweight to lift into position or move. 

Overall, it was certainly worth the effort and the cost of the materials that I had to buy in to make it.  Hopefully others might feel the same and build something similar for themselves.






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FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25
Walther Reign M2 .22
Evanix AR6 .22
FX Dreamline Classic .22
Cometa Fenix 400 .177
Weihrauch HW50 .177
Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge)


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2024 at 11:14am
Excellent build review.
Nicely done.


Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2024 at 9:53am
Nice work Kiwi.
I like that it is wall mountable 👍🏻

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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.



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