Crosman 362 build
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Topic: Crosman 362 build
Posted By: jusepy82
Subject: Crosman 362 build
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 9:46am
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Hey everyone. I brought a crosman 362 awhile back now. Here she is standard. I decided to fit a steel breech and red dot scope. But the rail that I fitted closed up the gap on the steel breech so much I cant even fit a pellet into the thing. I feel I have a couple of options..
Here are some more pics to give you an idea of what I am talking about Thanks friends  ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
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Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 10:02am
      
------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 10:19am
Why don't you just move the pic rail foward past the breech and the red dot back to compensate? Excuse my terrible photoship:
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Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 10:38am
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That is where the grub screw is at the front of the rail, it is as far forward as it will go without grinding the head off the screw. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 10:46am
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I would flip the rail around so the canterlever is facing forward, and the square end flush with the front of the loading port - full access. Mark there the grub screw is and then drill the underside of the rail a couple of mm deep with like a 6mm drill bit to allow the grub screw to protrude into. Or, get one of these which would allow you to mount the red dot without the long rail... http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004921747018.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.6e16tRV7tRV7YT&algo_pvid=9ea0d8a2-5263-4192-a13b-84f0460cd04a&algo_exp_id=9ea0d8a2-5263-4192-a13b-84f0460cd04a-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21NZD%213.45%212.59%21%21%2114.59%21%21%402101c5a416994798627704699e83ea%2112000031027198425%21sea%21NZ%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=SfAN0OSfiuEG" rel="nofollow - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004921747018.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.6e16tRV7tRV7YT&algo_pvid=9ea0d8a2-5263-4192-a13b-84f0460cd04a&algo_exp_id=9ea0d8a2-5263-4192-a13b-84f0460cd04a-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21NZD%213.45%212.59%21%21%2114.59%21%21%402101c5a416994798627704699e83ea%2112000031027198425%21sea%21NZ%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=SfAN0OSfiuEG ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 1:08pm
 Fixed it !I had a think about it and used your guys help ! I removed the rail and then drilled a hole in the rail so it will fit over the grub screw in the rail and moved it forward opening up the breech. Hey pronto heaps of room !!!! Thanks for your help fellas.   ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 2:16pm
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 2:18pm
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Are you talking about the grub screw that holds the barrel into the steel breech sticking out? If so, just take it out and either file it shorter, or replace with a shorter one. |
Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 2:18pm
| Noice! |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 4:18pm
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How far away is that target ? If it's 10m you need to keep pellet testing. The gun is capable of way more consistent accuracy. Its a lethal gun. I really like them. I was using hades and air arms. It didn't mind stoeger x field. Ftt, went alright but for some reason stopped liking them |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 4:29pm
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That picture was with open sights , I am yet to test these jbs ones as im having trouble zeroing the scope and ran out of time. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 4:34pm
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Sweet once you got ya scope zeroed you'll be even more pleased with it. Those open sights lean to placement not pin point accuracy, and with my getting old eyes are a nightmare, but I still like em. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 6:16pm
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Thanks again for the bolt kruzaroad. It was shooting accurately but not where I wanted it too. I'm wondering if its mounted on the piss about. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 6:20pm
Yeah the one at the front of the steel breech , I've kinda sorted it now. Drilled a hole for it to fit into. Thanks ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Pauly5 wrote:Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 8:19pm
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It shouldn't stick out. Has it been replaced by a longer one? Might be an m3 grubscrew, maybe 4mm long. Mitre 10 sell them, but if you have a faster store nearby, it'll be cheaper. Or pm me and I can send a couple. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 8:54pm
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I dunno it was like it when I brought it from youngs. Came with the steel breech.Ive sorted it by drilling the hole in the rail so it sits flush. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2023 at 4:14pm
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Well I sorted out the zero and was shooting alright groups. Not sure if the x1 magnification is enough but I think I will only be shooting closer rabbits. I had to file down the adapter rail to allow for the pin of the red dot scope to seat properly but as I said its shooting pretty straight now which Im super happy about. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2023 at 5:10pm
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They are a good gun for sure. Rabbits will dropping for sure. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 7:00pm
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drilled a magpie at 30m tonight with 8 pumps. bloody stoked !!!! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 7:11pm
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Shot. Let's hope there are plenty more to come. I was looking at mags for those steel breeches today, wondering if it would be worth it for 1322. Definitely speed up reload time just having to pump. But not sure if compatable with pumping action, being they mainly advertise them for the CO2 models. 2250, ratcatcher etc. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 7:27pm
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I noticed on ebay there is a kit that turns the 1322 or the2250 into a PCP. Dont know how to legally import them though. Definitely a slow process loading and then pumping the 362. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 7:36pm
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Ask Pauly5 he will know. I had a look at them and was supprised how long the air cylinder was. Yep knocking the pellet reload time off would be nice. I think they were called grav5. I'm assuming they work off gravity to drop pellet into breech and I'm not to sure the pumping would be any good for the pellets in it. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 8:20pm
| Yea, I've got one on the way, but have been building pcp conversions for the crosmans myself. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2023 at 8:33pm
| Just order straight off ebay |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 7:27am
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Just thinking about it, when I was sucba diving you could get something called a bail out bottle. Its a small high pressure air cylinder that you would strap to your leg (had built in reg and mouthpiece) just in case you overstayed your main tank air supply. It was designed to get you back to the surface. I assume with your decompression stop. It was just as refillable as dive bottle. I'll see if I can find one web. Not sure it would offer any advantage over a pcp cylinder. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 7:46am
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Oh they are called pony bottles. Nope can't see it being of any advantage if you converted a 362 to air. Bit heavy. NZ price around 300+ dollars. The most popular Pony Bottle on the market. Brushed Alluminium. The Catalina 19cu ft/2.7L has a working pressure of 3000psi/207 bar. Dimensions; Length 445mm, Diameter 111mm, weight 4.1kg Not being a pcp shooter I'm not sure if it would be a good little tank to carry in the field for refilling. Just thinking about it. That may be the most popular but steel dive tanks weigh more but hold considerably more air to tank size, due to wall thickness. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 8:25am
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If you had an fal, converting a 362 to pcp would be a cheap pcp, but then there are cheap Air Chief pcp for around the same price. If you converted a 1322, 2240, 2250 or similar in pistol form, then you need to fill it. Dive tanks are heavy, need certifying/testing and need refilling, but quick. With my pistol build I have got a cheap handpump and this works really well I reckon. A small buddy bottle would certainly be an option for hunting if you think you need a fill. You could fill the buddy bottle with the handpump, although that is quite a workout, but filling the pistol will be about 50 - 60 pumps from empty, which is very do able. It will be interesting to see how many shots from these kits, but my pistol gives me around 25 usable shots, so if I was to try hunting with it, I don't think i'd use that many shots. Although it might take me that many to actually hit something.
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Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 8:59am
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A word of warning re aluminium cylinders. Firstly, they're not actually much lighter than steel as they have thicker walls and they have a lower pressure rating so lower capacity (usable volume). The real issue I believe is that they won't pass a pressure test when it's due. In NZ the test requirement is the same for steel and aluminum (apparently overseas there's a difference) and the aluminium will expand beyond the allowable limit and fail. This info came from a local diver who recently purchased my old out of test steel cylinder to replace one of his alloy items. I can't guarantee this is 100% correct but I would caution against using them - maybe confirm with your local diver centre before rushing off and buying one. ------------- FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25 Walther Reign M2 .22 Evanix AR6 .22 FX Dreamline Classic .22 Cometa Fenix 400 .177 Weihrauch HW50 .177 Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge) |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 9:03am
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There were some aluminium tanks that were condemned too. I had 2, and found this out when I went to get them filled. You can check the serial number against a list available online. I invested in a small compressor and haven't touched my dive tank for years.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 9:21am
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They have to be pressure tested to pass certification in the first place. So why they would fail is beyond me. They are noticeably lighter than steel tanks when fill that's from first hand experience. The reason the walls are so thick is to handel the pressure. (and they are considerably thicker) hence the lesser volume compared to steel. The main issue diving is how bouent they become when the air gets low, which isn't an issue on land and the lower volume of air. Still haven't dived for years now so things may have changed. As you say check with dive shop. But at end of day I'm not sure that my suggestion of a pony bottle is practical. The 362 is a pump action rifle and in my view a good gun as is, if you don't mind the pumping. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 9:31am
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Sorry Pauly was wrote and posted that before saw your reply. Some bottles do have incorrect metal composition at manufactor and sneak onto the market. That is something to look out for. |
Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 9:50am
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I guess the original cert is done overseas where the test procedures are different, the problem arises with the retest here (so I believe). My 12L steel tank weighed 22kg filled so it was far too heavy to lug around and more than my poor old back could handle. I replaced it with a 10L Shootair carbon bottle that weighs only 7kg empty and fill it with a compressor from AliExpress - yay, no more trips to the dive shop! ------------- FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25 Walther Reign M2 .22 Evanix AR6 .22 FX Dreamline Classic .22 Cometa Fenix 400 .177 Weihrauch HW50 .177 Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge) |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 10:32am
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I only ever dealt with nz dive shops, so guess they only had nz certified ones, or maybe I was just lucky with them. Arnt those carbon bottles just a thinner aluminium walked tank with a carbon fiber skin for strength. Would u be right in assuming the compressors have a water trap? |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 10:34am
| Better take this to a differnt topic, we seem to be getting off topic here a bit. |
Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 10:36am
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Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 7:29pm
Here is the magpie I dropped last night And tonight I smoked this baby wabbit  ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2023 at 7:49am
| 362 rules! |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2023 at 8:21am
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Nice going. That is one scruffy looking magpie. Younger one? Thought about chucking a suppressor on it? I've got one here you can try, but I'll want it back. It does make a noticable differnce to the shot sound. The pump action is a differnt story, but I'm sure there are ways to do that. I used a stick on velcro strip on the 1322,which quietened it right down. Tried it in 362 but wouldn't lock properly, but there will be something that does. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2023 at 8:11pm
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Yeah looked pretty young and wasnt as wary as the older birds are. I have thought about a supressor and will buy one off @pauly5 once I have sorted some other projects out. Thanks for the offer Kruzaroad. The pump action is pretty noisey and often in my excitement I catch my little finger when pumping it haha.... Slow learner here. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |