New Firearms / Shooting Laws...
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Topic: New Firearms / Shooting Laws...
Posted By: Myson
Subject: New Firearms / Shooting Laws...
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 3:55pm
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Hi All, I'm starting to hear some scarey things about the new NZ laws coming in.... stupid stuff like you can't shoot on your own property anymore? WTF?  It's probably wrong but after a little bit of research, I think it would be smart to vote ACT in October - here's why?: See this: https://www.act.org.nz/firearms" rel="nofollow - https://www.act.org.nz/firearms Voting ACT will save our Shooting Sport and will prevent it being severely constrained… Thank God for Nicole McKee: https://www.act.org.nz/nicole-mckee" rel="nofollow - https://www.act.org.nz/nicole-mckee ☺ Please do spread the word…. Thanks. 14 October 2023 is our chance to save our sport! PS: Does anyone know if "Sports" are listed in our Human Rights legislation? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 4:28pm
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Yep you are right there. The guy who came with me when I shot my deer with my crossbow. He is a long range competitive shooter and has been behind alot of the shooters protests when the current government changed laws after Chch shootings. He told me that there is a scary amount of legislation going to come in if we don't stand up for the sport. And goodness knows if we will be able to shoot any airgun in the future without FAL's etc.... |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 4:41pm
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I can’t comment much on the politics side, still too new to NZ to be able to vote, but I can tell you your firearms laws here in NZ are way less restrictive then in many other countries around the world, which is a freedom and a right you should defiantly stand up for and protect! ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 07 May 2023 at 5:03pm
| Yep if you look over across the ditch to Australia, can't have air rifles, air soft without FAL and I reckon that's what may happen here but praying it doesn't. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 8:49am
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So what your proposing is voting for party that probly won't get run the country but may have a small say. You seem to be promoting the idea that act can repeal laws that will take a vote through government to pass and most likely not passed as majority of the government will not vote for it, Or will do deals for other policies that they promote that are more acceptable to other parties that hold governance with act. You are also promoting that we vote for a party based on this one subject. There are a lot more serious issues, that have lead to the missus of guns, that affect social and economic delvolpment in this country. Though I don't like what is happening with gun laws I think voting for how a country is run based on it's gun laws isn't the best option. Even if its something I total enjoy and hate the way it is being portrayed and the idiotic/knee jerk reaction rules being formed around it, that punish us as gun users for no good reason. But that's my view and will be the only thing that has to do with politics I'll put up on this site. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 9:19am
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Yep! A "small say" when you're the King Maker party (with National?) goes a long way Kruza! If you do nothing, you'll get nothing! Our sport is under significant threat.... and here is a party (like 'em or not) that will save our sport. Let the debate expand and grow!  I've said my bit.... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 9:44am
| I don't consider killing pest animals a sport. 👍 |
Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 10:12am
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But target shooting is 👍 ------------- FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25 Walther Reign M2 .22 Evanix AR6 .22 FX Dreamline Classic .22 Cometa Fenix 400 .177 Weihrauch HW50 .177 Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge) |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 10:23am
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And a very fine one at that, which requires a lot of skill and knowledge and definitely one under threat with current proposed laws. That I have no dought about at all. Nor that laws are not well thought out or benificial to shooters or our way of life at all. I'm not in disagreement with that at all. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 12:17pm
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gun laws are allways bout politics,this last lot we are inflicted with was never about what government and police told the public it was,it was never about making the country saffer as they told the public it was,and that lie has exploded in their faces since,as not a day or two goes buy now there isnt a shooting by some idiot or crim with an illegal gun,bassically because idiots and crims dont obey any laws in the first place a very simple fact politions and police just never seem to be able to grasp,99% of all gun crime isnt and never has been commited by legal licensed gun owners ,just another true the powers that be will never admit,because they cant stop criminal activty and never will either,so its easier to pick on licensed gun owners because they can get at them and boast bout it on the media making it look like they are actually doing something bout crime when in fact thet are doing nothing at all bout crime with guns illegally held by crims its all about a feel good political agenda that looks good in the media yet does nothing to improve public saftey and bringing new stricter gun laws that only affect the law abiding wont change a thing because its not and never has been the law abiding that are the problem we now have with criminal misuse of illegally held guns that is not going to go away,we now have an essentually armed police force,but that hasnt changed or improved anything either has it,as all it means is our police now shoot more people than the whole of aussie but this hasnt stopped criminal misuse of firearms either has it??all arming our police has done is to make them parniod bout guns evan more. as for the politics of who to vote for on this issuse,i agree with a pevious post that there are more important things to cast a vote for than just the gun issuse,ACT will never have the power to change gun laws and the rest wont do either,they are all going to come after licenced legal gun owners no matter what simpliy because its political expediant to doso,as it makes politions look good on tv which is all bout getting votes nothing else,been while since posted anything but this one deserves a reply. cheers mike
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Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 1:17pm
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Compared with other western and developed countries New Zealand is fairly easy on gun control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation Since taking up shooting and mixing in these circles I have quickly learned to take a lot of what is said with a grain of salt. The Arms Officer I got was actually quite a helpful bloke. Between myself and referees I think there were 4 AO's involved and noone said anything negative about their interviews. But one would think by listening to the gossip the Police are out to get LFAO's. ACT used to be a libertarian party but that has gone by the wayside. Yes, they have some policies I agree with but ultimately they will just be supporting National. I think 50% chance air rifles will end up being licensed. Because of the actions of a few d*heads.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 2:21pm
| Not the owners just thier guns |
Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 2:58pm
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I was informed by someone in the industry air rifle sales were being reported on request of the Police. It was not clear if this applied to a specific region or country wide. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 May 2023 at 3:03pm
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Have no idea. Couldn't care less if they did. I haven't ever been asked for name or identification when buying from a gun shop. Guess the grey hair gives it away that I'm over 18 and entitled to use own one. |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 4:03pm
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Now see what we're up against: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300877906/act-gun-policy-is-an-attack-on-kiwis-safety-police-union-says" rel="nofollow - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300877906/act-gun-policy-is-an-attack-on-kiwis-safety-police-union-says I've also just received an email from the new Police Authority about registering all my Firearms on the new NZ Firearms Register - which is a total waste of time according to all the shooters I know!!!  Have you received the same yet? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 7:45pm
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Regarding the anti gun rhetoric on Stuff - No doubt the 'woke' anti-crowd will change their tune very quickly if it looks like a war is brewing in this part of the world. More Taiwanese seek gun training as Ukraine war drives home cross-strait tension https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yTJbGV99c" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yTJbGV99c
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Posted By: KiwiTR6
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 7:59pm
??? ------------- FX Wildcat MK111 BT Sniper .25 Walther Reign M2 .22 Evanix AR6 .22 FX Dreamline Classic .22 Cometa Fenix 400 .177 Weihrauch HW50 .177 Air Chief Junior .177 ($100 Challenge) |
FPM wrote:Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 8:17pm
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I used to shoot FT here in NZ. I actually represented NZ in 2 worlds competitions, one I travelled to the UK for. These new rules have killed the sport I found great joy and relaxation in and I feel a bit hard done by. I see though that you can still dress up in full tactical gear and act out shooting people in airsoft and paintball. I'm not anti them, but then why do non violent target shooting disciplines get penalised. I miss that aspect, but am grateful I do pest work for a job, |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 8:36pm
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Because the weapons with hard projectiles have the potential to injure or kill. If you started airsoft ft shooting sure you would have no issues with the law. Not that bbs be that great for it. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 8:38pm
| Don't forget you don't have to register antique rifles, roll on crims with muskets. Lmao |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 13 May 2023 at 9:57pm
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We will be registering knifes next .......... That's a bugger Pauly5 |
Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 14 May 2023 at 1:45pm
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I think the most likely outcome of registration is risk weighted arms management - ie: folks who have a "collection" of firearms, or of a style/calibre with no great civilian use, will be subject to additional scrutiny. The rest of us who have a normal rifle, or two or three, in our safe will probably see no great change.
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