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Topic: From England but living near Christchurch
Posted By: Elliot87
Subject: From England but living near Christchurch
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 5:24pm
Hi folks,

I spent a year in NZ in 2017/2018 and have just returned with the goal of settling here permanently.

I used air rifles a lot for work and recreation back in England and I'm looking to buy an air rifle to help deal with some of the smaller pest species where I'm currently living.

As a kid I used traditional springers but have got used to using pcp rifles (nothing fancy, a kral NP02 and BSA Ultra) but without a FAL currently those are not an option.  I'm after a relatively quiet, accurate and reliable rifle, mostly for rats, rabbits and invasive bird pests, plus perhaps the occasional possum.

It hasn't taken me long to realise the air rifle market is a lot more limited here in NZ (one of the very few things I prefer about the UK) so I'm hoping to get some recommendations from members here on which rifles to look at and which to avoid.

A couple I've looked at so far are the Gamo Swarm Fusion Gen3i and the Gamo Wildcat Whisper.
I use .177 back home because sub 12fpe .22 are slow and the trajectory sucks but I'm open to using either here with the higher power rifles.

Thanks, looking forward to hearing what you all have to say.


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Pom that wants to be a kiwi



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Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 6:04pm
Welcome, I wouldnt touch the gamo myself, but i have worked on a lot of them fixing their crappy triggers.

They might have improved over the years but ive seen nothing to lead me to think so, But everyone is different and depends on what you are wanting to do with it.


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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 6:10pm
The more I read about them, the more I'm getting the impression they should be avoided.  What is a good option that is readily available in NZ? So far it seems to be gamo, crossman and stoeger at the couple of big stores locally.

I'd considerer a CO2 rifle for more pcp like characteristics but none I have looked at seem powerful enough for hunting anything bigger than a rat at a reasonable distance.

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Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 9:52pm
Hi from Stratford, Taranaki.
Great, you are asking the right questions for down under options.
Stay away from Gen ii and Gen iii multi-shots.
Wildcat is probably ok but I note it is not listed on Vaughan Sports sales list and they are the NZ supplier.

When heading out to manage pests I choose a .22 which is lightweight and mid power 15-20ft/lbs.

Have a look at fixed barrels, for Gamo this would be a CFX and please consider the .22 calibre, well proven and one of my most effective hunters. (see under reviews)

I would steer clear of the higher power units >20 ft/lb, they are difficult to cock, harsh to operate and will wreck any scope.

The large consumer brands all have good and bad options. I have many Gamo and several Umarex units which I am perfectly happy with but I recognise their limitations.

Alternatively a preowned but well made European model with good maintenance will give many years of quality service.

Do not discount a well mannered CO2 powered rifle, sub 12ftlb but fixed barrel will lend itself to accuracy.

I will post up a few proven choices and please check out mine and other members reviews for a NZ point of view.


Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 12:08pm
Hi Mercs,

Thanks for the advice. My number one choice atm is a Cometa Fusion, having seen some very favourable reviews on this rifle. I want to compare it with some others like the Cometa Fenix to see if one suits my needs better than the other.
I'm also leaning towards the nitro version of the Cometa Fusion but haven't read any actual comparisons between it and the conventional spring version, so not sure if the extra $100 being asked is worth it? It comes with a Hawke 3-9x40AO scope, I've had a few of these and always been happy with them but on pcp's, hopefully they will hold up to the recoil too.

I'm certainly not discounting CO2. Having only used sub 12ftb air rifles previously, I'm very comfortable using these for hunting, so long as they are accurate, or should I say so long as I can be accurate with them. I know I will have to relearn good springer technique having gotten used to pcps.

I took a lot of rabbits and squirrels with a 7ishft/lb Slavia rifle when i was a lad, it was very smooth and accurate, swapped it for an 11.5ft/lb webley xocet which recoiled quite violently imho and I think my success rates probably went down despite the extra power.  That has made me a little shy of powerful spring rifles.

I think I will go .22, that extra 5-10ft/lb of energy from the rifles over here I assume will make them a fair bit flatter shooting that the sub 12 versions in the UK.

I'll have a look at the gamo CFX and other  fixed barrel rifles too. Cheers


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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 2:28pm
I have a used .177 Gamo CFX that is sitting unused in my safe. It functions as it should. I don't have a clue how it groups. I'm in Wellington, and would be happy with $100 + postage if you're interested. 

I might put a scope on it and shoot some groups if I get some time too.




Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 11:21pm
Hey Pauly,

Definitely interested, thanks.  I've just been reading up on them and it seems like there are a lot of positve user reviews out there, certainly compared to some other gamos but it does seem that they still have some issues and need some work done to get them shooting very well. Ther trigger seems to be the main thing folks aren't happy with. 
Do you have any pictures of the rifle and how would you rate it? 
Also do you know the likely cost of shipping? I'm sure the rules here will be different than back home in the UK, so I have no idea how simple/complicated or cheap/expensive it would be to post an air rifle?

Feel free to send me a private message (assuming that's and option on here?) if that makes things simpler.

Cheers



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Pom that wants to be a kiwi


Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

I have a used .177 Gamo CFX that is sitting unused in my safe. It functions as it should. I don't have a clue how it groups. I'm in Wellington, and would be happy with $100 + postage if you're interested. 

I might put a scope on it and shoot some groups if I get some time too.



Gamo is crap.
But, the best Gamo is the CFX and $100 is a great deal and certainly a good starter to get back into airgunning here and seeing what else is around you might fancy.

After the CFX gamo really focussed on a quest for fastest velocity, and then added in things like multishot capability. The problem is the build quality is not good so they teeth rattlers, light weight stocks so harsh to shoot, the multishot mechanisms are plastic and wear out quickly.
Thats all fine if they are priced for their quality, but down here they simply arent. They should be priced at $399, not $999, for that money you can get a Weihrauch HW95 that will do possums and last long enough to hand down to your grand kids.

CFX platform is around 20 years old, pretty good quild quality and not too over powered.
Triggers are pretty firm and not the most crisp.

The cometa fusion is a great rifle for the money, better build than gamo and far better adjustable trigger. Good power, accurate barrels. I used to use one at a target shooting club i belong to, after I polished the spring ends and relubed it it could stack pellets nearly as good as my TX200


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Air Arms TX200('s)
Theoben Sirocco
HW77
FWB 300s
Webley Patriot
One or two others...

Current projects:
Too many..


Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 3:30pm
I almost bought a gamo pcp back in the UK but in the end went for a BSA (could have come from the same factory for all I know) and quickly added a Turkish Kral NP02. THe quality isn't outstanding but mine was faultless and a lot of fun, and at least it was priced sensibly.  The BSA was accurate but only single shot and finicky to load whilst trying to keep an eye on squirrels running through the trees, so it didn't get much use once I bought the Kral.

I think you are right, Paul has made a very good offer and I will likely take him up on it. I see myself getting a cometa fusion down the line but as I'm new to NZ and looking for an employer that can help get me a work visa, saving the extra $$$ is probably the sensible thing to do right now.

I've never had a fixed barrel rifle like the CFX either, so I'm keen to try one out.

Short of making basic screw turn trigger adjustments I've never done any work on any of my air rifles but it would be something I'd be keen to learn and it seems like there is some good info to be found on here.


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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 5:43pm
I was going to make a spring guide for it. Tinbum tuning are doing similar, and seem to be getting good results. As JS said trigger is quite heavy, and if that can be lightened it'll make a big difference.


Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 6:59pm
Welcome along mate. I'm just down the road o in Ashburton but work in Christchurch most days.

I would grab Pauly5's cfx. I haven't rebuilt one of those but Mercs and others can point you in the right direction if you need to go down that route with it.

If you go down the c02 guns and want to bulk fill c02 I can help out there if needed.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 7:41pm
Billbobnz, can you suggest a gunshop that will accept firearm dealers network deliveries for Elliot maybe?


Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 9:07pm
Shooters supplies would be my best choice decent guys there


Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 9:34pm
I'll give shooters supplies a call tomorrow, thanks for the recommendation, I hadn't discovered that shop yet either so I'm looking forward to paying them a visit.

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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 9:37pm
Also thanks for the welcome.  I plan on grabbing in and putting it to good use down here. Seeing quite a few rat signs around the chooks etc. and lots of pest birds.

Will definitely give you a shout or Mercs if I need to rebuild/mod anything on the rifle.

I'm off to google bulk filling CO2 now.  My only experience with CO2 is a 2240 stlye pistol and never really considered them much before coming here as pcp's were a better option in general.


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Pom that wants to be a kiwi


Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 10:10am
Welcome to the forum Elliot. I have pulled apart CFXs before - not too hard, you can also get a gas ram conversion kit from Custom Air Seals in Australia if you are interested in such a mod. Can't go wrong with a CFX for $100 but I would personally save up for a Weihrauch / Sig / Air Arms / Diana if you can - the triggers on Gamos will never compete with the trigger design / engineering on these other guns. A niceish Mk1 HW80 177 on trademe at the moment - price is a bit high given the condition but you could try negotiating.


Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 3:49pm
I'm quite excited to get my hands on the CFX, might well be a good little project gun to tide me over until I'm more permantly resident in NZ and get a firearms licence.  I may well save up for a high end springer but that may well turn into a pcp or powder burner depending upon my needs down the line.  Or I might fall in love with spring/gas ram air rifles once again and forget all about pcp's.

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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by nunga nunga wrote:

Welcome, I wouldnt touch the gamo myself, but i have worked on a lot of them fixing their crappy triggers.

They might have improved over the years but ive seen nothing to lead me to think so, But everyone is different and depends on what you are wanting to do with it.

Despite what seems to be very sensible advice to avoid gamo's it looks like I will be getting one from Pauly. Although not exactly a CFX I believe it is pretty much the same rifle internally.  I've read that you make and supply replacement triggers for these older model gamo's.  Is that something you're still doing and do you have any available to buy?  I may not need one, Pauly has said the trigger isn't too bad but I also like the idea of learning more about how these rifles work through upgrades, so a new trigger would seem like a good place to start.


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Posted By: paulo.baronceli
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 12:52pm
Hey Elliot, welcome to NZ!

I know it will be controversial, but I currently have over 15 air guns in my collection, and when it comes to hunting, I pick my Gamo Magnum Gen 2 more often than I would want to admit. I hunt turkeys, and for the most part, I couldn’t find any other rifle to put up with it in those hunts, including well-made BSA, and fixed barrel Stoegers. They are much harder to shoot than a TX200 or a Weihrouch springer, but once you’ve nailed it down, the 30fpe, all weather stock (great on the field) it’s hard to beat - definitely not a plinker though.

So, a CFX for $100 bucks, if you don’t want that one, I might - you won’t find more bang for your buck than that! Another option to look at if you’re used to PCPs is the Umarex Magnum with the 88g CO2. It puts out about 11fp if I’m not mistaken, and if you buy the 12g CO2 adaptor, it should be cheap to run too.

The BSA Spitfire is another good option and widely available, but it is certainly not quiet. For reference, it has the same power plant as the lightning xl, but with a 10-shot mag fitted - I also never had any problems with those.

With all that said though, as rightfully pointed out, if you’re willing to put down the money, you can’t really go wrong with models such the TX200, HW90, ASP20, and so on. And these will indeed be guns your grandchildren will shoot decades from now.

Hope that either way you find your deal and soon enough be out there shooting! Welcome again.



Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by paulo.baronceli paulo.baronceli wrote:

Hey Elliot, welcome to NZ!

I know it will be controversial, but I currently have over 15 air guns in my collection, and when it comes to hunting, I pick my Gamo Magnum Gen 2 more often than I would want to admit. I hunt turkeys, and for the most part, I couldn’t find any other rifle to put up with it in those hunts, including well-made BSA, and fixed barrel Stoegers. They are much harder to shoot than a TX200 or a Weihrouch springer, but once you’ve nailed it down, the 30fpe, all weather stock (great on the field) it’s hard to beat - definitely not a plinker though.

So, a CFX for $100 bucks, if you don’t want that one, I might - you won’t find more bang for your buck than that! Another option to look at if you’re used to PCPs is the Umarex Magnum with the 88g CO2. It puts out about 11fp if I’m not mistaken, and if you buy the 12g CO2 adaptor, it should be cheap to run too.

The BSA Spitfire is another good option and widely available, but it is certainly not quiet. For reference, it has the same power plant as the lightning xl, but with a 10-shot mag fitted - I also never had any problems with those.

With all that said though, as rightfully pointed out, if you’re willing to put down the money, you can’t really go wrong with models such the TX200, HW90, ASP20, and so on. And these will indeed be guns your grandchildren will shoot decades from now.

Hope that either way you find your deal and soon enough be out there shooting! Welcome again.


I will be taking Pauly up on his offer, as you say it will be great bang for my buck and a good way to get into shooting over here.

I had briefly looked at the Umarex Magnum but hadn't realised they were quite as powerful as that.  Not sure I'll go down that route this time around but 12g CO2 adapter or bulk filling (I know nothing about doing that yet) could make that a tempting option.

Thatnls for the welcome, I'm looking forward to some plinking and invasive pest eradication.

Of the quarry you can take with an air rifle here, what is the best eating? I've eaten plenty of rabbits but not much else you can shoot over here. I did see someone tried possum and said it was very good, but also mentioned having to check for TB which is a bit off putting.


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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 4:21pm
hare, quail, pheasant, pigeon, rat, hedgehog. Throw in goat and wallaby with something over .22



Posted By: paulo.baronceli
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 4:25pm
Taste-wise I’d say it’s hard to beat turkey, but hares, rabbits, quail, and pheasants also make up for very good eating. Pigeons and corvids are also eaten, but I never had those too. There’s a good range depending where you live. If you’re just out for meat without a FAL though, there’s always the option of getting a crossbow or a bow, which are not very regulated, and as long as it’s 150lb+ and 30lb+ draw weight respectively, you can hunt on public land - amongst some other little things.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 4:28pm
you can't just put a longer trigger adjustment screw in?


Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 5:13pm
I plan on getting a bow. I used to do a lot of archery from the age of 6 to about 14 but hunting with a bow isn't legal in the UK and so I gradually lost interest in them.   Being able to get back into the discipline but with more of a purpose to fill the freezer is very appealing to me.

When I was last in NZ I hunted goats and we ate goat meat a few times, I really enjoyed it. Also shot some peafowl in Tologa Bay. We cooked the breasts of one female in a stew and I suspect she was an old bird and we didn't cook it for long enough, so was very very chewy.

I was forgetting about quail and pheasant being an option here, ducks too.  What pigeons are you guys eating? Feral rock doves? Noone back home really eats those but we have wood pigeons as an option and they are a bigger cleaner bird so people choose to eat those.


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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

hare, quail, pheasant, pigeon, rat, hedgehog. Throw in goat and wallaby with something over .22


I'll assume at least the rat and hedgehog are a joke but if not, each to their own :D

I would think wallaby is delicious, having enjoyed eating kangaroo but I was speaking to a guy here that shoots a lot of them and he, and noone he hunts with eat them Says they can be full of worms and that puts them off.  I'd be worried in case they might have been poisoned too, but a healthy young one in a poison free area I'd definitely try!


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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 8:33pm
I want to give wallaby a go some time. I've heard done right it's perfect.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 9:27pm
nope, ive eaten the back legs of a rat I shot at a river. .177 no idea what it was.  Clean aminal, not near a town.
 Hedgehog I'm dicey on, but  curious. Might be a while but I'll probly try it at some stage. 




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