Crosman 362 Review
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Topic: Crosman 362 Review
Posted By: Pauly5
Subject: Crosman 362 Review
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 10:20pm
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A few weeks ago I purchased a Crosman 362. Here's a humble review of what I thought. I might do it in a couple of stages, and try and be a bit more specific on certain parts. Bear with me, I ain't no pro reviewer./ This is a multi pump, .22 cal single shot, airgun. I really like this type of platform, simple, accurate, easy to work on, and since I have a 1322 and 1377, I thought this would be a good buy.(Photo shows it with a supressor that I made for it, but I hadn't taken a photo in stock form)  First impressions out of the box were good. It handles and shoulders well. It has a comfortable and light, but substantial feel. It has the typical plastic crosman breech complete with peep sights. The trigger is slightly different to the 13xx and 22xx platforms. Pumping action is very positive, and the handle locks into place nicely once charged up. First couple of shots were very surprising. The trigger, although heavy, was quite crisp and predictable. There was no recoil, as expected, and it felt like a pcp. The instructions say to pump it a maximum of 8 pumps, as apparantely if you pump it more, the valving just doesn't empty the whole air charge. This was what I found, and so I would think there is room for modding the transfer ports to allow more airflow, resulting in a power gain. Personally, I was happy with the power, and for plinking 4 pumps is plenty. Using 14.5 grain RWS pellet, 4 pumps = 501 fps, 8.88 fpe, 6 pumps = 577 fps, 11.75 fpe 8 pumps = 619 fps, 13.55 fpe I found the peep sights quite good. Cheek rest was the perfect height, and even with my older eyes, I shot a couple of very good groups. This group was shot at 15 m, using peep sights.  I noticed the pellet probe has been modified from the older style too. Photo shows a slimmer, longer probe with the older style brass one just below.  I have more info to this review, but I will cover that in the next post. 
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 10:52pm
| Awesome Paul, I am wanting to get one too or the Benjamin variant. Keep the review and updates coming through. I'm drooling over your carbon fiber suppressor. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 8:28am
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have you noticed any improvement in loading with the newer probe or do you think its just to seat pellet deeper. How much play was in the pump arm? Great first overview Looking forward to more. 22 |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 8:14pm
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I hadn't noticed it being any different to load, but as you say it would seat the pellet further in past the transfer port, so I reckon they did it for better air flow. I had a go at making a couple of different probes including an extended but slimmer probe for a 2240, and there was a power increase. Can't remember how much though. The other one I made is a hollow probe. That certainly pushes the pellet into the breech easier though.  
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 10:29pm
| Do you sell those Paul? Pm me if you do |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 6:56pm
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A few cosmetic notes. The pump arm is held in place by a good magnet. It snaps into place with authority after each pump and there is no movement when shouldering and firing.  The trigger is plastic, but has quite a wide blade. It would be much nicer if it was metal, as with the heavier weight you can feel a touch of flex. I plan to lighten it and eventually make a whole new trigger out of aluminium. Looking at the trigger mechanism, there is plenty of option for modding here.   The red is what I plan to do. I will try putting 2 grub screws in the sear. The barrel has some pretty rough blueing on it. It's more the barrel finish is rough than bad blueing though.  The butt pad is pretty good. It's got a nice amount of grip to it.  Next I might shoot some strings at different pumps and we will see how consistant it is. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 7:43pm
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Nice. Be keen to see how trigger mods go. How much pellet drop you get while testing it at different pumps be great too. This is great stuff awesome 👍 |
Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2022 at 10:03am
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Appreciate the post, great close up picture of the trigger mechanism. Nice clean look to the rifle and perfectly respectable pellet group. Interesting as I do not have anything with a pump style action.....here we go. Breech looks similar to 2250b or do you end up with another box of upgrade parts and spares? cheers
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2022 at 8:50pm
| Yes, breech is std Crosman as we know it. You will see that I have upgraded mine to the steel breech already, as I will eventually put a scope on it. So all your spare Crosman parts will work. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2022 at 10:04am
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hey Pauly if you have the valve and piston tube off at any stage, can you take a pic off underside and throw the measurement of the slots and holes up plus overall length please. Be curious to see if tube would fit 13xx model as well. The valve upgrades are the same, but I'm thinking the extra length in tube might be the ticket to dropping the amount of pumps. Its just curiosity at this stage. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2022 at 2:31pm
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Very cool Paul. near 12fpe from 6 pumps os pretty good power. 9 from 4 makes a good bird gun too! there are some cool modifications starting to come out in USA ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2022 at 12:38pm
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Skip that brought 1. Whats chances of you doing a review of you 13xx. I'd be keen to see what if any mods you've done and your opinion of them. Also any 13xx parts upgrades you might Consider for 362. |
Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 4:16pm
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@Pauly5, any further updates on this rifle? I wonder how it compares to the Cannon 737 and 808Magnum... ------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 9:16pm
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I've never fired either of those before, so can't really compare for you sorry. I'm still enjoying the 362, although I haven't fired it much lately. Must admit I've gotten so busy I'd forgotten to complete the review properly. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 May 2023 at 10:23pm
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I was playing around with the 362 this week. I plan on modifying the valve body soon and I think it will benefit from longer dwell time on the hammer, and just a touch bigger TP. I pumped it 12 times and got 16.11 fpe (632 fps) using an 18 grn pellet!! pretty impressive I reckon. But then I loaded another pellet without pumping again, and there was enough pressure left in it to get 4.9 fpe (349 fps) with the same pellet. So if I can get the valve to dump all the air in a shot cycle, then it becomes a legit little hunter for small game. I certainly feel the accuracy is there.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 10 May 2023 at 6:26am
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Would dropping the spring pressure that returns the valve to its seated position and increasing the hammer spring pressure do it. If you can create an imbalance that keeps the valve open you'll exaughst all the gas. It would mean that the gun would have to be cocked before pumping to release the hammer pressure to allow valve to reseat. If that was case it would probly need a adjustable hammer spring tensioner to allow pressure to be taken off the valve so you could store it with a couple of pumps in it when not in use. Definitely encouraging resaults so far, it will interesting to see how much extra fpe you get with valve and port mods. Have you worked the valve stem to allow more flow around it? |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 10 May 2023 at 7:49am
| Good thinking Kruza, I hadn't thought about the valve return spring. No, haven't touched the stem yet. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 12:11pm
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Here's a issue that cropped up with mine. Hammer spring damage due to too long screw holding the back of breach in. I'm not sure if it was caused by going from plastic to steel breech and a differnce in height.  Cheers Pauly for getting me onto it. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 6:15pm
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I had noticed that one end was damaged, then because I turned the spring around it damaged the other end. I only realised this after the fact. I would say you're on the money about swapping breeches and the screw being too long. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 6:29pm
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Yeah now I'm in two minds as whether to get a slightly stronger hammer spring, or slightly weaker valve spring. I may be able to over pump it a bit more if I can extend the time it's open. The issue being how much will say a 10% stronger spring effect the trigger pull as opposed to a slightly weaker valve spring giving less resistance to the hammer. Or perhaps a valve spring with same resistance but less coils so it can compress more. Any advise or word of wisdom from you more experianced tinkerers. (which would be at least 50% of you) |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 7:28pm
| You will only have so much more room before the spring binds, so you could also try a small packing washer. I have a 2 mm one in mine and I that let's me get the good power out of it. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 5:41pm
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Hey im doing a bit of research on one of these beauties for a bit of rabbit hunting and plinking. How much is the steel breach if you dont mind me asking. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 5:50pm
| I think they are about $58 from Youngs. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 6:30pm
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A new bolt as well. Niether of the pumps I got wanted to let the bolt handel separate from the bolt. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 7:20pm
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Any idea how it would take down a wascally wabbit ? ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 11:21am
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Yes it has enough power for that. After the mods, I was getting 18 - 19 ft'lb which is ample. I am impressed by this 362, it feels like a pcp when shooting it.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 11:23am
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R They make a hell of a racket pumping mind. I think that plastic hitting is louder than the rifle. Went to put velcro on it like 1322 but it didn't close right |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 11:26am
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Yea, they have a magnet to keep it closed, which is good, but makes a noise. Or do you mean all the heavy breathing and complaining from you pumping it?
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Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 11:56am
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I think 4 pumps is around 9 footpound isnt it? that should be reasonably easy pumping and enough for close-ish range rabbits with good shot placement. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 5:12pm
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I just pulled the trigger on buying one of these , looking forward to getting her !!! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 5:37pm
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That's exciting. I'm sure you will enjoy it. When I first got mine I had great fun using the peep sights and just shooting spinners on 4 pumps. Let us know how you like it. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 6:46am
| Be wary of the pump action when first get it. I caught my finger which was a oncer, not something I ever had happen on 1322. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 7:53am
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Thanks for the heads up haha. Hey how much does your supressor quieten the gun down . I noticed on the youtube videos I watched they are quiet noiseywhen firing ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 6:15pm
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Enough to be worth it. I have one on both my pumpers. No idea of decibel drop. Thats for hunting plinking prob fine as is. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 6:51pm
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Awsome thanks kruzaroad . I want to hunt and plink with it. Are they scope killers like most air rifles ? I have a fake leopold I might put in it for a laugh ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 8:01pm
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Nope. More like a pcp for firing. Only the hammer hitting a valve stem. No spring shock. Not sure if the pumping would effect a scope over time. Nowhere near as violent shock as a spring hitting. Nowhere near as fussy to shoot as your not dealing with the spring created 2way recoil. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 7:31am
| It won't kill any scope, but if i'm pumping mine up to 12 pumps I will push against the scope as it's more of a direct action, so secure rings is important. I wouldn't use the small barrel clamp type ones though. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 6:20pm
 Look who showed up tonight. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 6:22pm
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Didnt get a chance to test fire it but I'm stoked with it. Managed to pinch my little finger even though I was warned about it haha. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 6:43pm
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Traps for the unwary. Turn on the outside lights fire away. Looks like you'll be busy tomorrow. Love the gun stand. Plain simple and to the point. Much like the gun. 👍 |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 8:12pm
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You can dry fire these without a pellet. Or even without pumping it. Just cock and you get to try the trigger. The triggers are a bit heavy, but predictable. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 9:26pm
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Thanks everybody , Hey pauly5 , sorry ive kinda hijacked your thread ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 11:06pm
| Haha, no problem, it's all 362 related. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 9:32pm
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Fired her today , was pretty impressed at the accuracy at 10m with open sights. nice 1 inch group with jbs exact pellets ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 10:50pm
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What were you pumping it too? I recon ( with nothing to back it up) that the whole breech to band at end of barrel is a great design. Gives it rigidity, helps with consistent barrel harmonics I reckon. Hunting accurate not target shooting accurate, inherently. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 9:07am
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I was pumping her up to 8 pumps. I was trying to zero her but ran out of thine as my daughter and wife came home so hard to put it down. I will go over all the securing bolts as it seemed to flex alittle when pumping her up. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 9:19am
| Have you ordered in a steel breach for it? |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 11:09am
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Nope not yet. I want to feel it out a bit first. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 11:52am
| Well if you do and it has to come in on a order, I've got one sitting here that you can use till it arrives. Probly a bolt too but I'd have to check on that. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 2:03pm
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Wow thanks kruzaroad that's an amazing offer ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 6:17pm
| I've got a spare bolt if you can't find yours kruza |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 7:38pm
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You lads are amazing ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 8:57am
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So here's my latest pondering on the 362 valve system that I'd be keen for some comment on, as to its validity: The big issue is air release, pump to many times doesn't drop all the air. So why does the valve need to reclose strait away. If you were to put a vavle return spring in that was only strong enough to return the valve once the hammer was cocked, it would allow total release of the air at over pumped pressures as the valve would be held open. This would mean the only thing that would stop the valve would be pressure locking it. Pressure locking takes way more pumps than not clearing the air due to valve return. Obviouy there is the extra strain on all parts related to pumping, but that's a differnt issue at moment The biggest issue I see is leaving a pump or two in when storing. This would be impossible without some sort of spring adjustor though I'm running through a cam/twist lock idea through the back cap, so you could just release the spring pressure that way for storage. Also the only way I can see of not leaving one or the other spring in a compressed state. Big question would be how much does that return spring dampen the shock of hammer hitting. How much would recoil increase Would the hammer cause damage if it was allowed to go forward and stay forward on the valve pin and the wall that separates the compression chamber from the channel to the top port. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 9:20am
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The hammer holding the valve open shouldn't be a problem other than you will need to cock before you start pumping won't you? If not try a lighter valve spring and heavier hammer spring |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 10:31am
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Yep would have to be cocked before pumping. But if you get total air release, upto the valve pressure locking, worth the inconvenience. It may allow me to run a heavier pellet than the 16gr I hover around, for hares, at say 20 pumps. I'm not thinking extra fpe so much as a longer push on a heavier pellet through the same size top port. Or even enough added push to compensate a slugs extra friction through the barrel and push it out around pellet speed or just under. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 7:53pm
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To get the air out, I would look more at making sure the transfer port allows it to happen quickly first. I'm looking at the design of some big bore pcp pistols at the moment, and it's the dumpimg of the air through the pathway that is the focus rather than light valve springs. The FX Impact has an adjustable valve spring, but I would say it's more to do with harmonics rather than lightening the valve return pressure. But I see what you are getting at Kruz, and it's an interesting concept for this single shot pumper. An electric solenoid type valve would be interesting too. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 9:09pm
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But the air valve and tp have been worked. Widening the tp to much will kill it for lower pressure. That's why I'm looking at extending the push through same size tp. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 9:14pm
| Do you still have pressure after firing a shot? |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 9:16pm
| After 15 pumps it starts to hold air. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 6:11pm
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Hey lads , So when I received my 362 I noticed the front sight was a bit askew. I searched the shed high and low for a suitable allan key. I ended up having to bring my imperial set home from work. Anyways , I loosened the allan key and then straightend the front sight as much as possible. When retightening the screw I noticed it kept turning and I hadnt even done it up tight. Have you guys come across this before or have any ideas how to fix this muck up. I have thought about putting a bigger grub screw in there or put some thread tape on the existing screw. Does this grub screw actually do much apart from making your barrel twist slightly ? Thanks ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 9:12pm
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With the front sights, you should be able to pull it off, then put it on straight. If you turn the barrel you will missalign the transfer port and you will loose power. The grubscrew in the front barrel band is needed when you have the plastic breech as additional support. Once the steel breech is fitted the barrel will be supported much better. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 9:19pm
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I did pull off the front sight and realign it but it still was a bit crooked. So if I put a metal breech on , is the front grub screw not as important as with a plastic breech. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 11:16pm
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Correct, but still worth having done up. The metal breech has a grub screw to hold the barrel in it, where the plastic breech relies on the transfer port and that front grub screw. If your front grub screw is stripped and won't tighten, you could tap it for the next size up.
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Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2023 at 7:53pm
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emailed youngs about the steel breech , 5 weeks away . Thats algood though. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2023 at 8:01pm
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I can get you one sooner, won't be back on farm to weekend and prob won't get sent to midweek. You'll have to return it when get new one. Not sure about bolt didn't look, but prob be better seeing if you can one made for you as I'd want bolt back too. But if have one can borrow that too. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2023 at 8:05pm
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Thanks soo much for the offer Kruzaroad , but its ok as im not in too much of a rush for it. A fair few legends around here ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2023 at 2:11pm
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I blooded the 362 yesterday. Eight pumps and it smoked the bunny I was shooting. Head shot , was very please wit the shot placement. Was a pretty close shot , about 15 meters with open sights , cant wait for the steel breach and when I fit the red dot sight to the 362. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2023 at 5:12pm
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Makes a huge difference for sure. I sighted mine in at 26m once put red dot on. Ain't target shooting accuracy at that range but well within the grouping I require at sight in range to make it a hunter. (Though the pumping action is going to limit how much use it gets for hunting) Great little guns for shooting. Sure the rabbits your way are going to lament you buying it 👍 |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 4:24pm
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My steel breach has arrived yay ! I also have a red dot scope to fit. Will post pictures when all assembled ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 4:39pm
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Sweet. Looking forward to it. One bonus is all that pumping 1322/362 seems to have strengthened my arm, when holding the forestock for shooting. 👍 |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 7:40pm
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Hey did u guys have problems taking the bolt apart to slot into the new metal housing. Put it in a vice expecting it too unscrew , but round and round d and round and she goes. With soft jaws in the vice of course. Does it punch out or unscrew? ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 8:45pm
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What sort of bolt. Mine were made for me by someone with a lath. If it's a standard 362 bolt it may well be made to not come apart. From. Memory the plastic breach comes apart. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 8:47pm
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The standard t-bolt , I have it out of the plastic breech but cant take it apart for the steel breech. I will try gentally tapping it and maybe heating it. Then I'll put thread on it too make sure I can fit it too the steel breech. ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 9:08pm
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Be careful I just went to look at bolts in shed and have a snapped original 1322 bolt, which I thought I'd take apart. They don't to much tension twisting. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 9:38pm
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Yea, they are really hard to take apart and reuse. Out of 4, I have only been able to reuse one, and it keeps falling apart. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 9:44pm
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Dammit ! ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 5:29pm
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It broke... Do you guys know which bolts are similar to the 362 bolt ? Or does anybody have the skill to make a new one ? Orrrrr where to get a two piece one ? Thanks friends ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 7:02pm
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2 of them. The standard 2 piece bolt or extended probe with a dremlin (I think that's what it's called handel. Which one do you want.  If you don't get an offer to get one made. |
Posted By: jusepy82
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 7:29pm
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The 2nd one looks awsome. The extended probe ? How much are u after for it ? Thanks ------------- As long as there is lead in the air...there is hope. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 8:00pm
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Nothing. I got a hollow probe on it now which seems to work fine. 1322 has extended prob with a steel and wood strip bolt handel. So long as I got an emergency bolt I'm sweet. Send me what ever address you want it sent too via pm. I should be on town next few days and will get it posted then. |