crossman 1322 and upgrades as they happen
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Topic: crossman 1322 and upgrades as they happen
Posted By: kruzaroad
Subject: crossman 1322 and upgrades as they happen
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 12:59pm
1322 arrived.  Brought from magnium sports Taranaki. Great service prompt delivary. Will use them again for sure. As expected not that high in quality but thats why its getting up graded. Happy with feel out of box. Lighter than expected. Fired 2 shots (cause you just got too) to test trigger. Trigger suprised me. Was light crisp and smooth. It will get polished but totally usable out of box. First shot aimed at one of fiber glass tent poles (thinner than my finger) I use to hold targets, with AA field 16gr (5.51mm undersize pellet for tx) at 20m. Friggin hit!!!! Strait out of box that suprised me. 2nd shot missed but im not a pistol shooter and wasnt expecting to hit anything. 😊 Front post sight is thicker than I like and no fiber dots on it or rear blade. Im hoping to replace it with a bug buster. Lubrication points easy to access. Saftey nice audible sound,distinct clicks. Easy as to pump to ten pumps. Cons first look. Bolt has slight sideways play, getting steel breach so hopefully that cures that. Shooting left handed the inside of trigger finger touches the saftey button,just enough to make me notice. Once stock arrives ill be back to using right hand so doesnt bother me. Biggest issue off hand is the play on pumping and something I'll be getting bushes for next time get to town.    After a 25 pumps you can already see the issue.    For a cheap project gun its actually turned out a lot better than I expected my first impressions would be. I'll do some volicity testing later today and a target if i get a chance to set up an indoor range in wool shed for comparison of volicity and accuracy as I upgrade it. Ill probly switch to fft at 14.66gr for volicity testing ( just because I have a couple hundred left Im not using), and most likey wont do any real pellet testing till its done. |
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:11pm
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Well to dark in wool shed for chrono to work. To dark to see centre of 🎯. Power saving light bulbs sux. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:18pm
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Woooo awesome. As you build this you will want to buy another to keep unmodified to see how awesome the modified one is haha Go to Mitre 10 and get some LED strip batter lights (I got some for around $80) and they are awesome |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:30pm
Hell no I'll spend me last cent on air guns but wouldnt spend more than 30 bucks on lighting for the wool shed.  Just the rain came back over.Its plenty light during the day when I can open the doors. More likely ill get a portable work light. Will add fiber optic dot front post rear blade sights to list now. Should just nick the ones off the stoeger x5 and adapt them. Not good to steal from arthur to pay marther thou. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 5:57pm
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You can buy the cheap LED lights at super cheap auto, and just put them over the sensors with a bit of paper to diffuse the light. I found that worked ok, or LED strip on a 12 volt DC power supply. Both cheap ways to light a chrono. Lego light sabers make good optic spots too. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 6:04pm
| the lego is a interesting idea. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 6:52pm
| Still looking for a trigger in my things for another member, I will have a look tomorrow if I can find some fibre optic sights |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 9:56pm
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cheers. Its preety primitive set up. Set up may change witj new breach. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 2:03pm
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The fps test and targets. Pellets strait out of tins of unsorted. Pistol rested. Sight still factory set. 10x pump FTT:hi 490fps (forgot i stored it with 2 pumps) low 461fps ave 476fps Last 2 digits 90@(12pumps),61,77,79,79,76,78,75,76,73 Fpi from average 7.38@muzzle  Hades:lo 452fps hi 459fps ave459fps (There was only three differnt readings the rest were duplicates. Those being 452 456 459 Fpi from average 7.44@muzzle  Being that they advertise it upto 460fps im pretty impressed with that. Grouping I wasnt looking for anything except to see if it tightened with a differnt brand. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 12:07pm
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Sweet barrel and stock arrived from youngs. Should turn out about the size Im going for.  Stock is clean as, well moulded. Was expecting something would need sanding off. Nope sweet as. Now need to sort a quick relase pin to hold in place. Screws not that pratical for breaking it down for pack. Any ideas or sujestions would be appresiated. Barrel not the same finish quality. (At $44 I didnt expect it to be) Threw it on a striat edge, not laser strait but not bent,if that makes sence. Residue in barrel (like looking down a .22lr after the first two shots after cleaning) from factory. One drill hole has a flake metal still in it. Minor damage at one end. Not from transport here was packed well. Factory I guess or enroute to nz.   Will order a noise suppressor then ship it off to gun smith get it threaded and recrowned, bore polished. Noise suppresser recomendations be appresiated. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 2:24pm
| I tried to mention you in but don't think it worked on who was selling suppressor adapter for these guns |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 2:25pm
| I use a stealth .17hmr/.22 suppressor on my cr600w which works a treat and low cost |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 2:26pm
| You need a FAL to buy suppressors so make sure you tell the gun shop it's for an airgun |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 3:01pm
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i didnt know you needed firearms lic to buy suppressors as never been asked for lic,sounds like bit more the total bs in new laws that dont make sense. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 3:11pm
| Yes its a lot of BS. it might have been the local one i brought the stealth one from. they tried to tell me you cant put them on airgun so i had to tell them they have no idea what they are on about so i showed them a photo of my cr600w build and they nearly fell over. they have been awesome ever since |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2022 at 1:16pm
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breech arrived. Pulled apart to polish trigger and install. Then this... new one on order. Didn't even put any pressure on it. sigh  back to trigger and cylinder polishing for now. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2022 at 1:47pm
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Looks like the standard one from the plastic breech - these are not threaded they are peened over i believe. Stainless upgrade from youngs in order, or upgrade from overseas - extended or hollow probe. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2022 at 2:54pm
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Oh bugger J-S what's your preference on probes extended or hollow? Needing to do either on my build at sometime. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2022 at 6:54pm
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one should be here next week. Still got trigger/sear polished, and ripped the bullet out of. 22lr, emptyed power, put in gun fired primer, so case wouldn't streach. polished and used for spring giude and flat face for sear to sit on. perfect fit. Do need to get spacers for both trigger and sear, rediculous amount of side movement for both. Trigger is smooth as now. Prob do hammer tomorrow and tube. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2022 at 1:49pm
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Well decided to shim out trigger and Sear. Didn't fancy 80km round trip to town. After much mucking around came up with this solution? So if ya need a shim in a hurry.... Knock out the pin, smack with hammer, drill center to size, smack with hammer and polish. if you have a good drill chuck you can hold by pin in drill and file to diameter first 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2022 at 3:36pm
That's that section done till I upgrade it.now for 1/2 hour just pulling trigger wear it in a bit.   
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 3:48pm
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Well got bored and drilled out the standard barrel band to within a mil then sanded it out to fit longer barrel and threw stock on to see how gun feels. Light,steady, short, very nice to shoulder, quick to get on sight. really nice point of Balance. little bit of stock movement, I'll sort out. Hopefully the postie brings the new bolt tommorow and I can test it for volicity. Turns out gamo scope will fit till I get a picatinny adaptor, so I can clip a scope on and off. polished hammer some what. ( machining tool marks petty deep and didn't look like any effort to remove them) Piston tube surprisingly smooth hammer end. Look at pistion end of tube after i see what fps increase I get off barrel. If it works out and is accurate I can already see it as my primary gun for small bird/pest and close rabbit. I'm really liking it. already considering getting a second one if this works out and only putting top end parts on, now I'm starting to see what gun is about.For about the price of a gamo magnum I could have a totally custom gun. 
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 3:59pm
| Awesome that's coming along awesome |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 4:36pm
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Good stuff. I imagine the longer barrel will get you more efficiency. I bought a Crosman 362 a month ago, and I am very impressed by it. 4 pumps gets me just over 8 foot pound, and accuracy is very good too. Very similar price. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 7:16pm
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want to do a review on it? I'm keen on getting one and would be keen to hear a good review on it from a kiwi. fps, build quality, pros, cons accuracy etc. your opinion as a hunting rifle. if your keen, as detailed as possible. I'll be reading it, be great for info the site. Probly drag a few to site of Web. seems that its a well loved model of gun. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 7:30pm
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oh and have the old crosman barrel. standard 1322 if anyone wants it. compatable with 2240,50,60 I believe. Free to some who has a project, or maybe wants to change barrel cal. used about 30 times I guess. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2022 at 10:01am
Im no expert to be fair, but imagine both are good and an improvement on original. Both seat the pellet a little further past the transfer port. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Billbobnz wrote:Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2022 at 10:04am
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I will take the barrel please? I have a project that is needing a barrel. PM me, happy to pay for it and postage too.
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2022 at 10:06am
Ok, good idea. I will try and do that. I've done some mods to it too. I guess, watch this space.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2022 at 10:37am
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I will. mods is great idea too. I'd put it as a whole separate post so people who link through web a search don't have to go through all my ravings to get info cheers |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2022 at 11:04am
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sweet barrel is yours. Don't worry about postage I'm happy to cover that. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2022 at 10:12am
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Hey pauly5, sent a txt and pm.(no reply) Need an address,or shop to send too. I've put off heading to town today but will have to head in tomorrow or next day. cheers |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2022 at 8:20pm
| Ive texted you. Sorry been busy today and didn't see the message till now. Excellent. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2022 at 8:49pm
| All good dude. Its ready to go and go it shall tomorrow 👍 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 4:31pm
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Bolt arrived today. Installed. pellets pain in arse to feed in with scope on. But then pellets were pain in arse with tx in beginning. Hopefully time and practice will sort that. Padded out base of grip and side of grip hoping it would stop stock movement. Hasn't will have to go to harder material. To windy to set up for accuracy test but volicity increased. ftt 14.66gr Unsorted Numbers. 531 fps ( I assuming I had air left in but pretty sure I didn't, may have been pellet, or chrono) rest of string 491,497,491,492,494,491,494,484, 494 hi 531fps, lo 484fps, ave 495fps that gives a fpe of 7.98@495fps. So 19fps gain ( prob be a tad lower if dropped first shot and reshot it) increase of 1 fpe with barrel change. Got to find an end cap for breech if anyone knows of one. Breech came without bolt or end cap. will sort piston, valve and port next. ( yep bit the bullet and ordered a debit card) Throw up some grouping targets when wind dies down. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 6:13pm
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I don't know if mitre10 sell what are called Christmas tree fixings (used to use them at work for fitting underpannels on the underside of upholstered goods. they would be perfect as an end cap |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 6:26pm
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They could work. I'll keep it in reserve, I'd prefure the part. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 3:41pm
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Put jb plastic wield at bottom of stock, where frame sits. Vasoline on frame where going to touch. put back together for 10min,then pulled apart and let dry. Stock back on, soild as. 16gr area for pellets looks promising. scope at max height adjustment which sux. Maybe a shim. 
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 6:02pm
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sweet shimmed back of sight with a drink can, which by pure fluke brought it dead on bull at 20m. Fired few more targets. Liked the hades went for walk and was pleased. Doing what I want it for. 
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2022 at 10:20pm
| That looks a sweet build. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 7:50am
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thanks, but now I've spent a bit of time looking at parts, nope it's lame. There's at least 2 different valve set ups I want to try, a match trigger set, heavier hammer and spring, roll pin holding cocking level will be replaced,get rid of the crosman screwdriver head bolts and replace with allen key, Loather Walther barrel, Custom wood work. Folding or quick release stock. higher quality breach and extended probe, ports of various sizes list goes on. I'll already have one as well, so won't be a rush build so I can use it. All providing the world stay sane for the next few months. Then I'll look at a 362 and turning the gamo into the recoil absorbing experiment I've got planned for it. |
Posted By: Mic
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 11:52am
| I was selling the supressor adapters, got them for a rattie, same barrel I think. Got a supressor from Buck Rail never had a problem with customers |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2022 at 10:56am
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Still doing them? could be a good option for this particular 1322. next one will be blank barrel and hopefully have enough meat to get barrel threaded. Pic of end of barrel. 
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2022 at 11:20am
You could get a silencer that slip fits over the barrel. I did this on an earlier project.  |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2022 at 11:36am
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Does it have a grub screw? Me personally would be vary wary about a just slip on.(not that I have any actual experiance with them.) This pistol is constantly on the move, being swung up for shots, hanging by side. put on ground, gets the odd knock. Tell ya what though its just getting More and more lethal as it settles. I can't believe it's shootabilty and accuracy, way beyond what I expected. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 1:46pm
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Have just added extended bolt Probe bolt with much nicer bolt handel. Silencer. Huge improvement to gun. NZ made and Everthing is working a treat. Most pleased with them. The overlength of gun is 895mm now. Next move will be to buy a dremil and stock valve and see how much power increase I can get working one.    
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 2:45pm
| Looking good! |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 3:57pm
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The flashest thing on it are the bolt abs silencer. Great investment those 2 👍 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 6:34pm
| I need to give Pauly5 a shout-out for his extended probe and bolt handle for my project too. Absolutely awesome |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 7:02pm
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Got a Delrin bolt handel way. Keep the 1322 from being shinny. What project is it for. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 9:37pm
| We are looking at getting a lathe at work for building prototypes and custom work that I do (well it's needed for work 50% of the time and gun parts the rest) hahaha |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 11:02pm
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You'll have a ball with that. Fantastic for your conversions. Old fulla up the road won't be happy, You won't be keeping him busy on his lathe. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 11:08pm
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Lathes are so handy,and some people are so talented with what they make. I guess we will be seeing some upgrades soon then? 
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 6:35am
| Yep told the guy up the road, he is keen to teach me his tricks and says he will be there when I stuff a job up hahaha |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 4:40pm
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So the next pieces arrived from Pauly5 couple days ago. Decent end pins instead of those spring ones. The stock crosman ones are are a pain to get back in Nicely machined the case harding got a couple scratches, probly in post. Next move will be dremel, bench press for dremel and I'll work the valve angles for smoother flow. Trim some of the internal threads for slight incress in capacity, trim the valve head and thin the stem to allow better air flow around that section if it, this the vale that the hammer hits. By a reemer and open up the port between valve and barrel 25% and hope I don't stuff it up. If works do the 362 as well. Might see about a softer spring for valve as opposed to increasing hammer spring. Thoughts on what is best option or any advise from people who have done this before be appresiated. 
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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 9:31pm
 how to choose between crosman 1077 and 2250? anyone any advice?------------- Squirrel goes Vege @Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite @Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:19pm
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Um.... I wouldn't shoot an unsuppressed either of these versions in central Auckland..... Just saying |
Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2023 at 4:28pm
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This is a great thread. Really interesting to see how you've improved the pistol/rifle from the start. I don't have a clue how to do most of the things mentioned or the names for all the internals of an air rifle but would love to learn. It seems a lot of these cheap guns have so much potential to unlock. ------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi |
Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2023 at 4:30pm
This looks like a very cool but more importantly functional build too. Would love to know more about it? I'll search for a thread but if there isn't one maybe there should be... ------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 9:24pm
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I had done 2 of those builds. One I sold a couple of years ago, but Have another, basically the same. Folding stock hinge, adjustable butt, from Aliexpress. Turned up a mounting adapter to fit to gun. Polished trigger and hammer, custom bolt probe, steel breech, carbon fibre tube sleeve over barrel and a carbon fibre silencer. A great plinker, but quite usable for close pest pigeon work. |
Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 7:15pm
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What is this seller on about? "This Might Be Your Last Chance To Own A Brand New Air Pistol On The New Zealand Market, grab one when you can." http://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/sports/hunting-shooting/air-guns-parts/air-pistols/listing/4036792663" rel="nofollow - http://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/sports/hunting-shooting/air-guns-parts/air-pistols/listing/4036792663 Young's are selling them new I believe for $100 less than this guy. There's also a 2250 stock for sale on trademe if anyone is in need of one. I thionk it is around $50. ------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 10:49pm
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Yeah I pulled a 13xx seller up trademe, asked in the questions what mods he had done as it nearly 300 dollars more expensive than buying one. Was not on site a hour later. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 10:53pm
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It's because pistol type are apparently not imported into nz anymore. But yes the 2250 as a carbine is still imported. New ones keep coming up so maybe the 1322 is still available too? |
Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 11:21pm
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I assumed it was just an issue with pcp pistools not being imported. Youngs airguns lists them for sale and when I asked the price it was around $280 I think. ------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 8:28am
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It's not illegal to import an air pistol, spring or pcp, but if it looks like a proper pistol you will need a pretty good reason for them to approve it. I believe the 13xx and 22xx guns look different enough that the restriction has eased slightly. Before that, the price for one on trademe was high.
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