what's with gunshops.
Printed From: Kiwi Airgunners
Category: General
Forum Name: Flub's General Discussion
Forum Description: General discussion goes in here.
URL: www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/forum_posts.asp?TID=666
Printed Date: 17 May 2024 at 1:44pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 10.14 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: what's with gunshops.
Posted By: kruzaroad
Subject: what's with gunshops.
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2022 at 2:53pm
|
What the f is wrong with gun shops, when it comes to air rifle stuff. If they arn't willing to learn about them they shouldn't sell em. Latest annoying thing (the list is getting longer everytime I go to one) In Gun City as Crafties didn't have ftt and only other place is Gc. So anyway he's on ph hear word pellet and gamo ears prick up. I then listen to him explain that you can't by alloy or copper pellets as the volicity is to high for nz. When he got off ph asked what issue was and he said person was worried about lead poison and had read you could get alloy or copper pellets. I then pointed out that he had three types of alloy pellets on the shelf. Yet again I pointed out that they need to stop covering the factory label which has the head size on it with there sticker. He responded they are all one size to which I replied fft come in 3 sizes and it was on the factory sticker. He then pulled their sticker off and found I was right. So I told him I needed 5.52mm (which I've never seen in there) watched him pull off half a dozen labels and said its OK ill sort some out from 5.53can as they don't all measure even. One shop,H&F, had stoeger 1 tin old stock. Said I'd take it pleased to find at least one tin. Watched the tin travel about 4 foot through the air to land on counter as she threw them from the rack to counter. I near screamed the only tin I found. She then flipped the can right way up by tossing it into the air and it land with a thump. If it wasn't the only tin I could find I would have ripped onto her. Honestly what f is wrong with gun shop and air rifle supplies. |
Replies:
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2022 at 3:18pm
|
The large chain stores are the worst. H&F, GC. Though H&F Botany in Auckland I have found ok as the guy in charge of the firearms is an airgun shooter. The staff are just workers, just there for a job and get paid to make sales, they are not airgun specialists at all. You should have asked if she would have thrown a pack of bullets the same. Ive seen many times where they will demonstrate an airgun by shooting into the carpet - them saying the carpet gives resistence so doesnt damage the gun like dry firing. Rubbish. The gun i saw also had an air stripper so the air was free to go out the sides with no resistance - it could have a blown seal even before it leaves the store. The best thing you can do is take business elsewhere - youngs airguns will send parcels, and some one man opperated stores will have good airgun pellet stocks too - find a good local store and request they get stock in for you if you have a favourite. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2022 at 6:02pm
| I might just have to get a debit card. I try to avoid them and credit cards. Theres not much option here. Two stores left and I've found nothing about air guns on them. I'm starting to wish I was in a major city for the choice.But your right, I'll check out the last two next time in town. Ones a gun Smith so might have a yak with him. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2022 at 6:35pm
|
i must be lucky then coz my local shop carries a huge range of pellets,he just scored me 5000 of the out of production locally made 12gr 22cal winchester pellets which i like for co2 pistols,pellets are no longer made in nz which now means killwell and daisy pellets wont be available once local stocks run out either,pity coz i liked the daisy 177 pellets for co2 pistols as well,the local h/f store only carrys one two brands of pellets and many of them either,so you right the bigger stores bloody hopeless for anything airgun related now and none their staff no anything bout airguns either now and dont seem to care either. cheers mike
|
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2022 at 7:20pm
|
MIKE... We have missed you! You all ok? I have had the same experiences with the large chain stores. I saw a staff member in GC Christchurch dry fire a air rifle once to show a customer.... I nearly fainted! Also eavesdropped on their sales guys trying to sell airguns makes me sick. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 7:50am
|
you would think that the companys that sell these guns to the shops would have some form of training for shop staff in their own interests eh,would save lot warrenty claims for broken springs and damage gas pistons eh,its allmost a certainty that quite few guns are allready damaged before they evan leave the shop caused by shop staff not knowing what they are doing thats not good busseness eh!!personally i wouldnt accept a new spring or gas ram rifle if it didnt come to me in a sealed box thats never been opened. cheers mike
|
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 9:34am
| Exactly, also the fact that they can't even back up with spare parts is another thing too |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 9:47am
|
They eventual offered me a new mag originally when mine had issues.I decided not too. They replaced the barrel, even though it was off a return that had mag issues, prior to gamo sending them spare mag parts. Truthfully I'm rather impressed with Vaughans who have put up with a lot of photos and emails from me. (I'd have blocked me) but I had to go to importer. H&F wernt allowed to get me parts as its a gun City only gun. Gun City was useless recommended young's when I asked them to get seals. If ya have issues with a gamo I'd recommend going strait to vaughans upper hut (Web site) |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 1:12pm
|
I'm currently dealing with an issue at H&F on behalf of a good female friend who runs a remote station. In summary, their supply chain product support processes - for an expensive item they sold to her in 2020 - are useless! They can't fix the problem, nor can their suppliers!!! Apparently the part that needs replacing is not longer available (after 20 months!!!!!!).  Pathetic! I would never trust them to support any item going forward. Not only are they overpriced, they're also unhelpful. I've had to go to senior H&F management to get any sort of assistance and even that has failed! I'm done with them! If you want trouble free pellet or air rifle supplies, go to David Kay at Airguns NZ ( https://airgunsnz.co.nz/" rel="nofollow - https://airgunsnz.co.nz/ ). Or Ron Young of course! They're always reliable, knowledgeable and products arrive by courier, hassle free! Both are a delight to work with..... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 1:15pm
|
Also, I went into H&F in Palmerston North recently and asked a guy behind the counter: "Do you have a .177 cleaning rod and kit"? His reply: "What's that?"  Jeeeez............! ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 2:55pm
|
tx came from airgunsnz.Awsome to deal with hassel free knows what he is on about. Myson I wish I had that problem. Everytime I go looking for pull through swabs or air gun oils, The first thing they try to do when they hear *air rifle* is sell me an air gun cleaning kit. And always the same one.That's three different shops and they have all done it more than once. If it was napiers kit I'd by it. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2022 at 4:23pm
|
Dave from Airguns NZ is great to deal with, he is the importer / distributor fo the brands he sells and they are the top end of brands so he backs up the sales with customer service. He isnt a one stop sports shop like the others, neither is youngs - both are airgun specific. They know a lot about a few things, vs stores that know very little about a lot of things. Then there are the uninvested workers clipping their pay ticket who really only know how to stock the shelves and process payments. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: Mic
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2022 at 9:52am
| Yes, Ron Young is your man. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 7:40am
|
My god, Im putting youngs up there with gun city. After dealing with them im definitly getting a debit card so I can buy off the web. I have no idea what you guys see in them but I wont be dealing with them again. What an absoult twat to deal with. Worst of any airgun dealer ive experianced so far. All the rest have been great. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 9:20am
|
Ron Young has been around a long time and was for many years nz only dedicated airgun importer and dealer,Ron is allways great to deal with personally,and really does know what hes talking about,i have been dealing with Ron for longer than i can remember with airguns,hes never let me down hes got me things you just cant get that are not often evan made anymore,nothing is ever too much trouble for him and has allways given me honest answers to my questions never any BS his service has allways been great,sorry you seem to have had a bad experience from his store,something i personally have never had and dont expect i will have either,i dont know of anyone who has done either,talk to Ron personally am sure he will sort it out for you,you are right tho bout the bigger shops they are more interested in just selling more product than helping you,their staff dont seem to know diddly squat bout anything airgun related and dont seem interested in learning anything bout the airguns and produces they sell either.my local H/F is owned by an old friend of mine who no longer works there,they used be great for airguns and did know what they talked about and sold,thats all changed since he stopped working in the store and staff have changed as well as those who were hunters with both firearms and airguns have all left now and been replaced with idiots who are only interested in selling products they know nothing about so there is no one working store who are evan interested in hunting our guns these days,so you get what you get from these idiots,there are some specilized airgun importers and dealers now who do know the guns and products they sell and are great to deal with,but unfortunatly for me the cost of frieght now kills any advantage of dealing with these people ,but i am lucky in having a very good local sports store owned and operated by a hunter and shooter whos interested and uses both firearms and airguns who does know what hes talking about and does have a very good supply of all makes of pellets etc allways in stock just 15 mins from me,so i deal with this store pretty much exclusivly now for my airgun and firearms needs with perfect satisfaction,stores like this are now hard to find and well worth supporting for us locals, just my two bobs worth eh!! cheers mike
|
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 10:23am
Seems youve gotten him on a bad day or rubbed him up the wrong way. Rons an asset to the airgunning community, as DVLNME said hes been around for decades as the only airgun dedicated store. He sells you what you need, not just what will make him money. Hes straight to the point has a wealth of knowledge he doesnt mind sharing. If somethings crap he'll tell you its crap. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
kruzaroad wrote:Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 10:27am
|
From what ive seen here, it would seem he is great. Im in day three of trying to get a barrel and stock. 6 emails in. He has 2250 stock and barrel which I said if will fit is fine. Then went on about the band,which i said i can get the right one off the web. I also asked about if he could notify when the steel breaches arrive so I could purchase one.( in couple of weeks if anyone is interested) so far ive had no reply to if he will notify me. (asked 3 times) arnt getting the barrel because of the band ( ive told him ive been on web and looked and 2250 barrels will interchange) waiting today to see if i get the price of stock and postage. (He has given me the stock price) Thats absolutly sh*t service in my view. I have no idea who im talking to there. Ive just emailed the crosman importer and asked if they could supply a list of ppl they distribute too.Hopefullly I can find a nz shop to get the parts thru. Id rather support a nz shop, but looks like a debit card and send all the money overseas at the moment. Im not impressed. But that is my experiance. Im sure that he provides a great service, but based on this dealing with him nup. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 10:36am
|
And Im not knocking ron young or his knowledge or contribution to the air gunning community. Nor do i know if im even talking to him. But the service has been shocking, and as to the he might be having a bad day, so what, its got nothing to do with me all I asked was could you send me the price of a 18inch barrel,shoulder stock and postage for a 1322, after establishing that they had them, and he couldnt sell me parts that wernt crosman. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 1:03pm
| I don't know anything about setting up websites. It would be awesome if Young's went online for selling guns and parts. Would make it awesome for us guys down country that's isn't able to get into his shop. Even if he used Trademe would save setting up a website. (Only time I ever been to his shop was when I was about 16 before we moved out of Auckland) |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 1:24pm
|
He has a web site. The actual site doesnt display that much but it has a link to his catalog, which is a bit more accurate, but im sure itsbnot his entire inventory. https://www.youngsairgun.co.nz/ I just got an email back stating that he cant do modifcations as hes a crosman dealer ( never asked him too) He cant supply none crosman after market parts (which I established on the ph 2days ago and fully understand) but he can sell me standard crossman parts. (Which is what im trying to get) so ive asked him to send me postage costs (again) so I can get the 2250 18inch barrel, and the im assuming a 2250 stock which he has sent the price for 2 days ago before he went off on barrel band tangent . Hopefully Ill hear back before end of day so I can pay for them. He has also said he will notify when the breaches come in, which I appressiate. |
Posted By: xyon
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 1:43pm
I can see where you are coming from, it's great to be able to type "crosman breech" into your preferred search engine and click on a link to buy one. Ron's catalogue is quite useful. But for parts etc I would phone him up, or second best email him. ------------- --- My favourites springer - Diana 52 PCP - FX Wildcat III |
Posted By: xyon
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 2:05pm
|
Well, I'm going to write a shout out for Gun city! Caleb, just rang me to day to say they found the case, fill adapter, suppressor and scope for an air rifle I bought from them 2 months ago. So can collect the extra goodies for no charge. ------------- --- My favourites springer - Diana 52 PCP - FX Wildcat III |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 2:24pm
|
Its great they got you them all. The no charge is fab. Were they supposed to supply them with the gun? If so thats shoddy service (in my view) If not thats awsome service (in my view) So hows the new gun going? Whats the new gun? |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 3:34pm
|
So in the intrest of making sure that ppl have a full picture, I have a 18inch barrel and shoulder stock paid for and should be sent monday ( ive said not worry about posting it before then as it wont get here till next week anyway) I'll be notified when the steel breach arrives. Its taken way to long for this, but things unlike the other couple of days have been smooth and quick today and all issues resolved. Im not sure if Im dealing with a differnt person but wish it went like this a couple of days ago. |
Posted By: xyon
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 5:06pm
This one! http://www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/forum_posts.asp?TID=661" rel="nofollow - http://www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/forum_posts.asp?TID=661 You could say it was supposed to come with the other bits, but they didn't mention them in the add. at the time, so they were not part of the purchase price. ------------- --- My favourites springer - Diana 52 PCP - FX Wildcat III |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2022 at 5:32pm
| That is awsome service id they didnt charge you for it. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 1:42pm
Young’s is owned by Ron, shopfront run by a guy named Ron, repairs are done by Ron (most repairs in the country sent to him), importing, buying, etc done by Ron.. he’s old school and his receipts are written on contact pads. His website is average to say the least, but he isn’t going to operate an online inventory - it’s not the way he works and isn’t going to change. If he doesn’t get back to your emails he’s likely working on a drop of 30 Gamo repairs for gun city, or trying to sort an order to make sure we don’t run out of pellets. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 3:36pm
|
Well the breeches have finally arrived at youngs. A few weeks later than he said, but I'm assuming thats to do with shipping. But stoked that will get the 362 scoped up and one for next 1322. Pauly has a couple of extended probe bolts for me which is awsome. But the real reason I fired this thread up again is to sing praise of magnum sport in Stratford. Ordered some sig pellets after mercs said they stocked them. In less than 2 hours I got a email from Aramax saying they had been picked up and the tracking number. The service there is awsome. I absolutely love his no bullsh*t attitude. Throughly recommend using him. Just got a email from him, verifying the track number and let me know that he doesn't have a source for other parts I was after. I love that too, no bullsh*t just nope don't have source, no ifs, but, maybe, might be able to order. Just strait up service. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 5:24pm
| Got you like that. Can't put the money thru till later tonight but youngs has the part packed and sent me the tracking number. That is awsome. |
Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 11:20pm
|
Hi all and thanks Admin for the add. I've had awesome service at Gun City (2 branches) and our local independent. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 7:23am
|
Glad they gave you good service. What two stores? I've found the branch in napier not upto scratch on air guns. But I've run into a few gun shops that just sell air rifles for xtra profit and just think of them as toys for plinking. Most seem to deal with one maker which to me indicates they are locked into exclusive contracts. That isn't in the interest of air gunners. None of them sell just one brand of powder burner. Same with pellets. But just my experience. Only with shops around hb so far. |
Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:13pm
 They just want get money from most noobs like me, and most people who goes seriously will end up a 7.62 auto-arm shooter... ------------- Squirrel goes Vege @Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite @Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps |
Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:15pm
 So hb is hornby? I just heard that GunCity were robbed last month?------------- Squirrel goes Vege @Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite @Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:17pm
| No hawks bay. Napier, Hastings basically |
Posted By: FPM
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:53pm
|
The reason why Gun City, Hunting and Fishing, etc, mainly sell Gamo is because they are the leading brand at a reasonable price. Speaking specifically of the store mentioned (Gun City, Napier) - they are one of my local suppliers and I now consider myself a regular customer there. My experience of them has been great. The staff there have motivated me to get my FAL and are always willing to help me out even if I am just browsing. Between them and my local independent (who are also great) I have most of my needs covered.
|
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 1:29am
| Sure it's not at the over inflated prices for what you get, just gives them a bigger profit margin. |