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Topic: Auckland Based Air Gunner
Posted By: BushSpirit
Subject: Auckland Based Air Gunner
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2022 at 1:52pm
Good Day All
Im new to this forum so I believe an introduction is expected.

I have got back into Air Rifles after a significant interval and I am very surprised and the absolutely amazing developments in this sector. PCP's wow this tech is just mind blowing.

Anyway, I started my early air rifle years running around the African bush shooting everything from field mice, cane rats to monkeys, I once even took out a porcupine.

The rifle I used was an old Diana that was passed down to me, but I cant say just which one it was, did the job though.
After the my time in the army I made the move to full on hunting rifles and did many trips around Southern African and was privileged enough to hunt most of the big African game.

After making the shift to New Zealand back in 2008 I have not had the chance, until now, to get back into air gunning. 
In early 2021 I purchased my first NZ air rifle from Gun City, a BSA Silentium .22 since then I have added to my collection. I now also have a GAMO Swarm Magnum 10x Gen2 .22, Crossman 1322 .22 very modified, Air Chief CR600W .22 CO2
Yes, it has become a bit of an obsession, but I and both of my sons are loving the time we spend together working on the rifles and hunting small game around the Auckland region.

I have been very lucky with getting several permissions from land owners around Auckland to shoot small game on their properties and man it brings back so many memories of my younger years. I am so happy that I can share this with my sons and that they now also get to experience what I did as a kid.
I look forward to sharing with this forum as well as learning from the many skilled members who are willing to share their skills.

Happy Plinking


 



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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2022 at 7:34am
airguns today have become very sophisicated,they very different to airguns 20/30 years ago,the really good ones are fully the eqaul in accurracy to match grade firearms,with the possible exception of chamois and tarr there is nothing in nz you cant effectively hunt with some form of airgun,if target shootings your interest,its just as hard and fun with airguns as it is with firearms,airguns can be legally shot in your back yard as long as its safe and dosnt annoy your neighbours if in town,there is a lot airguns can be used for that you cant do with firearms safely or legally and for those who like tinkering with their guns there is a lot you can do to improve,modify,customise,or evan build with airguns today,plenty to keep you intersted and busy as we today live in the golden age of airguns because airguns have come of age as a serious form of hunting and target shooting gun,welcome to forum.
 cheers mike


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2022 at 11:19am
Mike, thanks for response. 


Posted By: joeboy
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2022 at 2:47pm
I saw on youtube 4000psi getting put into a large pcp rifle. You would want to have decent fittings at that pressure, pretty dangerous.


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 8:55am
Yip, and its held up to the face, Shocked


Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 19 May 2022 at 9:11pm
Welcome from Stratford, pest control a great help for native species so good hunting.
I see by your rifle choices a solid bias towards .22

cheers for now

I have the earlier Gamo Magnum Replay 10 and use the H&N 1.2 gramme Barracuda Hunter Extreme pellets.

GamoMagnum replay .22
Pellet BrandH&N
Pellet typeBHE
Average fps816
Grains19.09
Grammes1.21
foot pounds28.23
Joules38.28


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 20 May 2022 at 9:12am
Good Morning mercs
It certainly appears I have a bias to the .22 calibre and I have now just purchased a Crosman 2250b
as a project gun.
I have placed my orders on GMAC in the UK for so many parts Confused but its going to be fun.

I have finished the upgrading of the Crosman 1322 and man it is awesome, so quiet with its new silencer from Youngs Airguns and with the new GMAC flat top valve kit installed, its pushing a 14.3 gr Crosman Premier Hollow Point to nearly 700FPS, very happy with that.

I have also tuned and modified the GAMO Magnum and it maxed out with the same 14.3 gr hollow point at 1840FPS which is just nuts, made a hell of a crack. I am now only running heavier 25.39gr JSB Exact Jumbo Monster's to slow things up to around 950-960FPS. I may even try the H&N 30gr Slugs and see how they perform.

Anyway, I will give updates on the new project gun as it progresses. 

Stay well. 


Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 2:54pm
What sort of tuning did you do to get 1840fps!!!!? 


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 28 May 2022 at 9:23am
Yeah I would like to know what kind of tuning did you do for that kind of power as well. as they are rated at 1250 fps with alloy pellets which are super light. makes it hard to believe 1840 with 14.3 gr pellets. Most PCPS cant do that. thats over 100 foot pounds. thats .22 rimfire power.


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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 7:40am
i would be interested to know as well just how you managed to get 1800plus from that rifle as nunga said thats 100fpe and rimfire territory,i have owned 22 pcps that put out 100plus fpe with 40gr lead bullets and there are a few 22 cal pcps that can doso today,but have never heard of gas ram rifle being capable of doing so before,not saying cant be done,just never heard of anyone doing so before,so like nunga would be interested in how you did so.
 cheers mike


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 5:22pm
Evening All
To answer jwabfrog regarding the tuning.
*High polished piston cylinder 
*High polished piston body
*Drilled out transfer port (4.5mm)
Regarding the high fps, I have had three readings of of crazy high fps.1840 / 1723 / 1630.
After further investigations, I am putting it down to residual oil / grease in the piston chamber, so this shows you just the effect of dieseling.
Saying all of that, I am still blown away with the consistently high fps increase I have managed to get from the pretty basic tuning done to this rifle.


Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 7:23am
thax forthat was just interested in what you have done to what was allready quite a powerful rifle depending on what type chrono system you use its possible to get false readings depending on how close the light screens are to the muzzle so as you say it proberly picked up residue coming out barrel,these are rather powerful rifles to begin with and they certainly like the heavier pellets best because they produce velocitys high enuf to use heavy pellets effectivly,they very close in velocity and power to many pcps,i am looking at getting the g magnum 1250 10x mag feed rifles  as an upgrade for my old shadow rifle,i been a pcp man for 20 years but these new gas ram repeating rifles got me intersted in break barrel rifles again,so was good to read your post as anything that can improve a rifle is allways of interest.
 cheers mike 


Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 11:08am
Invites a bit more comment on the replay format.
.22 Gamo Magnum Replay 10: I own for fun and cannot deny it has real potential at 40 - 50 metres however it is hard work and not a daily choice.
.22 Gamo Replay 10: Used as a target rifle and at 1/2 the power this is very accurate and a pleasure to shoot, similar to my favourite Gamo Shadow series in power.

Distance Assessment
4 targets were set up with an average distance of 47 yards.
Included metal reseting bird, metal swing set, 5 inch target and 2 inch shoot N.C.
Very strong and changeable wind right to left and could not seem to overcome it using .177 rifle.

Winner on the day Gamo replay -10 Magnum (29ft/ilbs muzzle energy).
Standout at this range.

Biggest surprise of the day was the Gamo replay-10. (14.7 ft/lbs).
Readily make scoring shots with this unit.

Gamo .22 Replay-10 Magnum one piece mount with packaged Gamo 4-9x40 set at magnification 4
H&N crow magnum.
Immediately on target.
Pellet type designed for 30+ metres and scope was previously set for 25 yards.
Step above other rifles under these conditions on the day as did not need any windage consideration.

Gamo .22 replay-10 gamo rings with stealth 4x40
Webley VMX pellets.
Immediately on target, able to repeat and make bullseye. (unexpected at this distance).
Had been recently zeroed at  25 yards.
Spent a lot of time with this one, effort = reward when using this rifle.




Replay 10 Accuracy under better conditions.
Out of the box .177 Replay 10 tested at 14.7 ft/lbs.
Measured distance of 23 yards took the top off a drawing pin.
Potentially the most accurate break barrel rifle I have owned.





Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 12:40pm
That's some great info "mercs", thank you very much.
Regarding my GAMO Swarm Magnum .22, it can be an accurate rifle but it certainly is very hold sensitive and pellet picky. 
So far my best results have come from the heavier 25 grain pellets.
I must admit, I have also removed the swarm x10 system from the rifle as it was consistently spitting out the heavier pellets from the mag on almost every shot as well as not feeding the pellets into the breach chamber all that well. 
So I am back to a standard single load per shot. It don't bother me to much.
This rifle has also killed two GAMO scopes with its recoil, even though Im using the GAMO recoil reducing rail. Cry
I have just bought a new Crosman 2250 .22 and ordered a whole stack of upgrade parts from GMAC in the UK so this will be a fun new project gun. This past weekend I did some valve and transfer port mods to this gun and it has given it a decent boost in FPS, so looking forward to the new parts to go on it.
I will post some pics over the developments.
http://https://gmaccustomparts.com/" rel="nofollow - http://https://gmaccustomparts.com/


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 2:22pm
CryCryCry Just get into airgun  world. Any info about practicing sites? the back yard is so narrow. no hunting, just target shooting is OK. I love those rabbits, squrriels and birds, they are so cute.

By the way, I am considering Gamo Magnum, 1300fps with lead pellets. I just learned that 1300fps is too high that too much air behind the flying pellet. 700-900fps is the sweet range. To slow down, may need some .22 pellets over 30grain?DeadDeadDead


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 2:31pm
I am considering Gamo Magnum as well, 1300fps with lead pellets. I just learned that 1300fps is too high that too much air behind the flying pellet. 700-900fps is the sweet range. To slow down, may need some .22 pellets over 30grain to be as accurate as whisper replay series?

By the way, is there any private site can accept payment for airgun target shooting. No hunting, but hunting site can be OK as well? I really love those cute rabbits and birds. They even don't spread any disease nor bite people like mice does.


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: xyon
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 3:07pm
Hi, the Gamo Magnum will only approach 1300fps with super light lead free pellets. With normal lead pellets 14 to 21 grain is fine. (Even the review linked from gamo's own website has 16gr pellets doing 803 fps). I would choose whatever pellet is the most accurate to use.
BTW, I think there are better made and better value choices than the gamo magnum available.


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My favourites
springer - Diana 52
PCP - FX Wildcat III


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 5:29pm
Cute bunnies and birds, don't spread disease? Zoonotic diseases associated with rabbits include pasteurellosis, ringworm, mycobacteriosis, cryptosporidiosis and external parasites. Rabbits can transmit bacteria through bites and scratches.
Don't bite? Obviously you have never picked up a wild rabbit. It will bite you and use its feet to kick all the skin off your arm.
If ya not planning on hunting I wouldn't go anywhere near a gamo magnum.
For the money you'll spend on one, there are much better rifles to target shoot with.
Target shooters keep well low in the fps. 650fps would be fine.
Have less kick from the spring. Less noise too.
You'd want a better trigger than gamo for targets too.
I wouldn't use gamo pellets either. They don't have a good rep.
Having said all that there are good air rifles around for the amount your looking to spend.


Posted By: mercs
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 8:55pm
I agree with the wider team, Gamo Magnums are not for target shooting, they will wreck targets and need a very effective backstop.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:05pm
Thanks mate. That is fake ads? Holy...
I have a Air Chief Stalker Junior with 4x20scope, how is that rifle doing?CryCryCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:11pm
Pass on acurracy not familiar with them. but if its a junior, it's probly not overly powerful, which makes it easier to shoot.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:14pm
Thanks mate. I have a Air Chief Stalker Junior with 4x20scope, how is that rifle doing?CryCryCry
I really want to try some air rifles that can penetrate easily through skulls according to the YouTube reviews. Cannot find any one to lend me one, so hesitating to buy one but yes it is too expensive and wont be useful to me.
I have seen some wild rabbits like a dog big. Sure the wild adult rabbits has some temper especially when you try to kill them? Still I think they are cute species and if you raise them when they are baby, they will be mild. So I still just want target shooting...LoL



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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:19pm
After a rough sight-in by myself. It can deliver a group within r=3cm circle at 12m distance.
That's the longest way I got from my landlord's yardCryCryCry
any where for air rifle target shooting play around Auckland?
Some tell me that I can try softair war game, but I don't think my air chief stalker jr. can do that? Though according to youtube reviews, it cannot penetrate skull but I think it will still hurts people in softair game.CryCryCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2023 at 10:26pm
Yep don't shoot people with it. It's not a toy.
Look up air rifle clubs in Auckland. They have them and it would be very benificial for you.
There will be a lot of people to tech you stuff and people will be able to point you in the direction of a suitable gun.
Air soft use a differnt gun set up.


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:04am
Good Day "CuteRabbit"
I just thought I would weigh in here about some of the questions and thinking on what air rifle is best for what you say you are keen to do with it.
Stay away from the GAMO Magnum if all you want to do is target shoot, it is not suited to that and will damage your scope. 
I have killed two scopes with my GAMO Magnum even though they were rated for springer airguns.

Look, the thing with getting into air gunning is, what is your main driver?
*Plinking -(Basic target & object shooting)
*Pro-Target - (Target shooting with the aim of adjusting distances and developing high-accuracy shot placement) 
*Pest Control / Hunting - (Shooting those little creatures you love so much)

There is such a range of rifle options ranging from cheap and nasty to top quality German manufactured.
I personally have gone for units that I was keen on modifying and adjusting for better performance, just because I am a tinkerer. (Crosman 1322, Crosman 2240 & 2250B, Crosman 362, Aircheif CR600w and the GAMO Swarm Magnum Gen2)
All were bought as .22, but I have since converted some to .177 just for fun. My mods have achieved some crazy power and speeds, but not all were for the better.

Ignore the flashy advertising for high FPS, as it is useless if you are shooting the diablo style pellets, as they are extremely unstable once they go transonic/supersonic. (950 - 1352 FPS)
Around 8ftlb (foot-pounds) is enough to kill a rabbit humanely if it's a headshot. ( I prefer higher ftlb as it gives certainty of kill) but that gives you an understanding that you don't need a whole lot of speed from your rifle to pest control.

It then comes down to your budget and what you are willing to spend on an airgun. 
The next option is what action do you go for.
*Break Barrel - Too many to list
*Under leaver - Air Arms TX200,Air Arms Passport, Weihrauch HW97
*Side leave(if you can still get your hands on one) Diana Mod 56 TH Target Hunter
*CO2 - too many to list, but I have the Air Chief C600w and Crosman 2240 / 2250B
*Pneumatic Multi pump - Crosman 1322/1377, Crosman 362 and several others 
*PCP - but only with a firearms license.

Each action has its positive and negative points, but that is a whole new subject matter for discussion.

I am happy to help with any other questions or guidance you may require.

Chat soon.



Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:16am
Hw97 synthetic stock for sale at airgunsnz. Was looking at it as an option to buy next month.


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:21am
You will not regret buying the HW97, and in time there are upgrade kits for them if you want to make it even better.
I have used quite a few HW97 and each time I was like, man I need to get one of these as soon as.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 9:36am
I'm a bit dodgy about it after the tx200. I found the field loading at night a bit of pain in arse with fixed barrel. Also the whole movement of cocking the gun was way more obvious. Barrel just another observable movement as you cock the under lever. Not good sitting in Bush shooting quail at close range.
However I've heard a lot of good stuff about them and are keen to try one.
The side cocking lever will hopefully allow me to hold the gun low as I cock it.
I must admit though I'm stoked with the sig I really do miss the feel of tx. Its a great gun. Weihrauch will hopefully prove to have all the quality and accuracy of the tx, but without the overly flashy wood stock, less weight, and in .22 (Though if there's a .25 break barrel.....)
Be keen to hear pros and cons from users.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 10:20am
WinkWinkWinkThank you for your pro advise. How about the cheap full size rifle- Umarex Surgemax .177 1050FPS with Alloy Pellets and 650FPS with Lead. Only 299 at GunCity
Thinking about to upgrade to a full-size. I won't be exhausted with my Stalker Jr. but not sure with a full-size one, may need to work out hardly?


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 10:23am
For under lever, I just found that steoger RX40 is on sale (349 with a bigger scope, used to be 449)CryCryCry at Fishing and Hunting NorthShore, Auckland

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 10:59am
Paulo just got a stoeger rx40.
Wait and see if he reads this. He can give you an idea of what they are like


Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 12:09pm
Point to Note

Stoeger Air Rifles are manufactured by BAM in China


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Sig Sauer ASP20 .177



Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 1:18pm
It is illegal to have softair even in China. 3year jail living experience is waiting for you if you try to 3d print a airsoft gun. can't believe somebody just try to produce airgun there.

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: BushSpirit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 9:11am
Not sure about the Umarex SurgeMax haven't had any experience with them. 
I have however had good feedback on the Stoeger range of Airguns.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 12:13pm
CryJust saw an old news. Somebody in CN village bought a handmade air rifle on ALI and 2000bbs. Think it is about 400fps? The guy don't know how to adjust or sight-in a rifle and never get one mouse shot but finally get 15year jail because too much bbs. He even don't know that handmade air won't last for 500shots. He just bought 2000bbs rather than 200bbs to make him jail year from 7 extend to 15Wink
In that case, if Steoger try to produce guns in China, their staffs will end up in jails???


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 4:55pm
I take it this happened in China?
Why would the workers go to jail.
If they are allowed to make them there then its legal, even if owning one may not be.
Marijuana is illegal in nz, but a couple of companies are allowed to grow it for medical purposes. The workers don't go to jail for working there.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 9:30pm
CryCryCryI see. that can make sence.
you mean Cannabin?
I think there used to be a lot 2K in dairy shop when I was working at one about 10 years ago?


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 7:46am
Gamo are over priced junk....sorry, just saying as all.


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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 9:18am
WinkEmbarrassedEmbarrassedCrosman is better?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 10:40am
Depends who ask. Really all comes down to what two guns you are comparing and what you want out of a gun.
Some ppl swear by crosman, some ppl swear by gamo some ppl just swear at mention of either brand.
Heres a question for you. What can you do to improve the air rifle you have? (look it up I already have a good idea and don't need to know)
Preety much any air rifle in the mid to lower range will benefit from a bit of tlc


Posted By: paulo.baronceli
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by CuteRabbit CuteRabbit wrote:

WinkEmbarrassedEmbarrassedCrosman is better?


I have both the Surgemax and the RX40 you mentioned, and between the two I would certainly recommend the RX40. The weird loading port was something I had to get used to but in terms of accuracy, grip, and general feel it’s much better than the Surgemax. The added bonus is that is also comes with a somewhat decent 3x9 scope. You will get between 17-20 fpe with both guns, but the RX40 in .22 will surely give you more momentum, thus better penetration.

I also have a Gamo Swarm Magnum, and for most of my turkey hunting it’s my rifle of choice. Despite Gamo’s somewhat bad reputation, I’ve been extremely lucky with both my Magnum and my Black Shadow. They shoot like prime guns, nothing bad to say about it. But as someone else already said, you wouldn’t want to plink with the Magnum.

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Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:14am
WinkWinkWinkThank you. I just find one small shop in Helensville selling Hatsan M130 with 550fps-7.62mmCali. But it is expensive. Google it and that's the only breakbarrel model still with .30 pellets. Any idea about that rare gun?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:18am
WinkWinkWinkThank you.by the way what is tlc??? I just find one small shop in Helensville selling Hatsan M130 with 550fps-7.62mmCali. But it is expensive. Google it and that's the only breakbarrel model still with .30 pellets. Any idea about that rare gun?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: paulo.baronceli
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 7:52am
Originally posted by CuteRabbit CuteRabbit wrote:

WinkWinkWinkThank you. I just find one small shop in Helensville selling Hatsan M130 with 550fps-7.62mmCali. But it is expensive. Google it and that's the only breakbarrel model still with .30 pellets. Any idea about that rare gun?


You might be talking about the Hatsan 135 Carnivore. I never used this one, but it’s in my books to get my hands on one this year. It all boils down to what you want to do with it really. This is also a gun you won’t be using to plink around, and the reviews I saw show it’s more effective at closer ranges. It’s a 30-35 FPE gun, same as the Gamo Magnum, the difference is that the heavier projectile will give you much more momentum and penetration, at the cost of much lower speeds and a bigger trajectory arch.

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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 8:33am
Cuterabbit, have you looked up Youngs Airguns in Auckland?

30 - 35 fpe, gee that must kick like a mule? Must say I've never fired a magnum springer. mine are all around 12 fpe.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 10:10am
WinkWinkWink850 Do minion rd. yes.
He showed me a second hand Crosman Benjamin Trail Stealth, .177, NP2, 1200fps?

Just, when I find Hatsan M130or135(old version) is the only break barrel with 7.62bore, really want to put it into my collection someday.
But yes, I may choose a .177 rifle for daily plinking. .177 pellets is much cheaper. Can't afford too muchCryCryCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 10:11am
Just, when I find Hatsan M130or135(old version) is the only break barrel with 7.62bore, really want to put it into my collection someday.
But yes, I may choose a .177 rifle for daily plinking. .177 pellets is much cheaper. Can't afford too muchCryCryCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 10:16am
EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed I think according to Online info, the M130 is the new version of M135, with new Vortex gas-struct and silencer barrel?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 10:25am
by the way. does 10 round magzine help a lot?
Some say it won't help for hunting because never get a second chance.
However for target shooting you don't need to rush?
so ... CryCryCry


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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:19pm
The only difference between the Hatsan 135 and 130 is the the 130 has a synthetic stock

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Sig Sauer ASP20 .177



Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 4:04pm
WinkWinkWinkPro

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 4:06pm
EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedhow is the M130 doing? any advice?

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: Ralph
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 4:37pm
The 130 is not a rifle you should be considering, It is a rifle for an experienced shooter.

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Sig Sauer ASP20 .177



Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 8:32pm
CryCryany collection value then? after few years no big bore breakbarrel products in the world?Cry

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 8:58pm
I think the English made Webley are collectable. Not the Turkish. I could be wrong though.
There are 3 top springers around. Weihrauch, Air Arms and Walther lgv/lgu.
These top springers tend to only come in .22 and .177, although I've seen an HW97 in .20. The power of these tend not to go over 15 - 20 ft/lb, but are lovely and good hunters at 12 ft/lb.
If you want collectable, buy quality engineering that will last, and those that know will know and they will hold value.


Posted By: CuteRabbit
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:15pm
thank you. haven't found shops with those brandWink

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Squirrel goes Vege

@Crosman Benjamin Ironhide .22 Nitro Piston Elite
@Umarex Surgemax .177 Gas Ram 1000fps


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:15pm
Walther is a new one to me. Didn't know they made air rifles. Friggen awsome I'll off to Web them up. Learn a bit, see if like what I see and ponder the possibility.
Cheers
(with that little burst of excitement I suddenly realised I've formed an addiction, oh well could be worse ones)


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:21pm
Unfortunately you'll probably only find these at Youngs airguns, or Airguns NZ.
In my decade of airgun addiction I have an HW97, HW97 and an AA Tx200.
The engineering on these is solid, and they are very easy to work on for tuning or maintenance.

You can import from Krale in Holland. It actually works out slightly cheaper too. No permit needed, but just a bit of paperwork.


Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:31pm
Just a quick search and wow!
Walther arn't mucking around. Cheers for that Pauly, I can't believe I haven't been aware of them.
A lot more investigation required.
Any one owned or shot one? Pistol rifle, springer, pcp, gas I'd be keen to hear what the verdic was both build and proformance.
A review of one would be great.
See they make pellets too.


Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 9:41pm
They are lovely to shoot. Such a refined minimal recoil. Solid and not lightweight, but very nice.


Posted By: jwabfrog
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 10:02pm
I owned a Century for a while and on sold but the trigger stem on the piston broke not long after selling and you can't buy spares for the.... spares can be bought for the LGV and LGUs. Some serious engineering went into them. My old man also has a Parrus. Parrus and Century are seriously grunty but also quiet loud. They come threaded and silencer makes a big difference. Accuracy was very good. Triggers not as refined as Diana / Weihrauch. I would love to shoot a LGU. One just sold on trademe for 1200 without rings or a scope.



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