CR600w Mods
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Topic: CR600w Mods
Posted By: Billbobnz
Subject: CR600w Mods
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 2:37pm
Good evening all,
Thought I should share my latest custom build I've done to a CR600w.
Picked this little beauty up recently and used it for my annual starling shoot around the house. somewhere the tally on starlings from this rifle is around 30 over the last month.
This is really a brilliant rifle as is but decided to tinker. out of the box with Gun Cities .22 Javelin spear tip 15.74gr pellets I was getting an average of 508fps, I've drilled the internals out to 4.5mm and now achieving and average of 585fps.
Next was a custom Carbon Fiber barrel shroud with an adapter to fit 1/2"x20 suppressors threads, I have fitted a Stealth .22 rimfire suppressor which does make it a little quieter than the factory one.
Also I've made a bulk co2 adapter which has a quick release fitting for a 9oz paintball tank for more accurate shot strings. I do have a HPA tank to try through this running 1500psi at the regulator.
See photos below.
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 6:55pm
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2021 at 5:29am
nice mate,these are great little co2 rifles and do allso come as pcps,so will make an excellent hpa conversion,just a word of warning for those without firearms licence,that once converted to hpa this rifle then legally becomes a pcp rifle,but for those with licence the hpa conversion is the way to go as it can quite significantly increase the power out put if wanted,nice job on rifle sounds like those starlings taking a hammering from it too. cheers mike
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Posted By: Sniper21
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2021 at 11:50am
Wow,great stuff mate...would love that bulk fill system myself,the one made for me doesn't work and has a big hose an stuff to it.looks good dude!
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2021 at 3:06pm
Thanks for that. The bulk fill improves the constancy hugely. I haven't fired over the chrony since the mods and will do over the next week.
Took another 3 starlings over the weekend but there are 1000's of them flocking on the paddocks at the moment.
I've stretched it out to 40m but waiting for a new scope to turn up to fully ballistic calculate the range.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2023 at 6:25pm
Billbobnz wrote:
Thanks for that. The bulk fill improves the constancy hugely. I haven't fired over the chrony since the mods and will do over the next week.
Took another 3 starlings over the weekend but there are 1000's of them flocking on the paddocks at the moment.
I've stretched it out to 40m but waiting for a new scope to turn up to fully ballistic calculate the range.
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I know it has been a year since the last post on this thread but would love to knowthe results of your mods and if you made any further modifications? Seriously considering a CR600 but would like a bit more power than standard, to fit a bipod and perhaps a 24gram co2 bottle which can be filled and used in place of the 12g co2 canisters. Either that or a 2250b or 1322 to modify as I see you have also done. Which is your preferred rifle, the CR600 or 2250?
Is drilling out to 4mm straightforward, or do I run a high risk of ruining a brand new rifle and voiding the warranty? I don't personally have many tools but the people I'm stating with have an overflowing workshop. Trouble is it is litterally overflowing so finding a specific tool is a challenge.
Cheers
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 11:25am
No problem digging up an old post.
It's averaging around 580fps at 18°C and with JSB Straton 15.89gr pellets.
I prefer the cr600 over the 2250 for accuracy and if I'm setting up for a while plinking or pest controlling. I've now got bipod on it too.
2250 is better for spot and stalking being lighter and more maneuverable.
If you want me to pop in sometime after work with the cr600 for you to have a play let me know. Got a leak in the 2250 so its in bits again.
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 11:28am
Doing the valve mods was easy as. Just a drill and sharp bit and vice is all you need. I did get the guy down the road from me to take 1mm off the face of the valve assembly in his lathe. Doing this gives the valve pin some extra travel so leaving the valve open a smidge longer. To be honest I don't think this made much difference.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 3:06pm
Billbobnz wrote:
No problem digging up an old post.
It's averaging around 580fps at 18°C and with JSB Straton 15.89gr pellets.
I prefer the cr600 over the 2250 for accuracy and if I'm setting up for a while plinking or pest controlling. I've now got bipod on it too.
2250 is better for spot and stalking being lighter and more maneuverable.
If you want me to pop in sometime after work with the cr600 for you to have a play let me know. Got a leak in the 2250 so its in bits again. |
I think I will buy a cr600 tomorrow, so should have my own one to play with but I appreciate the offer. Accuracy for pest control is probably the most important thing to me, I'm sure both will do a good job but I want a rifle I can shoot right away and that also pushes me towards the cr600.
Once I've had some use out of it and know it is working fine, I'll look into drilling out the internals to get a bit more performance. I don't suppose you know what shot count you would get from a 12g co2 after the mods? As you have an external bottle I guess shot count isn't so much of an issue.
How have you fitted the bipod? From the pictures it looks like the bottle would be in the way for mounting one to the forearm. I like the idea of a 24g aluminium bottle than can slide in where the two 12g co2 sapsules normally sit.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 4:44pm
Jump into the world of air soft and have a look at some of the CO2 adaptors,larger bottles, pre made adaptor hoses and high pressure refillable 12g cylinders. It seems they have a lot more variety avaliable than you will find through air gun suppliers. Some of the refillable 12g cartridges will take 150psi more than your regular CO2cylinder. Compatability with air guns I don't know but don't think it will be a prob. But mostly to give you a quick idea of possibilities and directions to investigate. Throw this into Google, it pulled up a few good links: 12g hpa cartridge
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 5:46pm
I'll get more photos tomorrow for you.
About 30-40 decent shots with the 16grm capsules. I used to wait 30sec between shots to get better consistently with them too.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 7:03pm
kruzaroad wrote:
Jump into the world of air soft and have a look at some of the CO2 adaptors,larger bottles, pre made adaptor hoses and high pressure refillable 12g cylinders. It seems they have a lot more variety avaliable than you will find through air gun suppliers. Some of the refillable 12g cartridges will take 150psi more than your regular CO2cylinder. Compatability with air guns I don't know but don't think it will be a prob. But mostly to give you a quick idea of possibilities and directions to investigate. Throw this into Google, it pulled up a few good links: 12g hpa cartridge
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There is a dedicated air soft shop in Christchurch so I might well head in there and see what they have/could suggest for the cr600.
This idea from dvlnme/Mike sounds like the way I would want to go, or something very similar but without pictures and a limited knowledge of how these guns work I can't say I fully understand how this is put together.
"easy enuf to make screw in bulk co2 tube extensions for guns like the air chief out of allimium tubing with simple fill valve on front end,you need a dummy 12gr canister on front end that replaces the disposable one jointed to the new tube this can be machined from solid alli and threaded to fit end cap thread,the dummy 12gr end can then either be threaded to the alli tube or fitted into tube with couple oring seals and held in place with 3x grub screws and front end cap done same way,i never made these bulk fill extensions to hold more than 36gr co2 otherwise they tend to get too heavy and upset balance of rifle etc,as point of these bulk fill extensions is to cut running costs more than anything else with me a 24gr extension is fine,as doubles shot count anyway,i preferr to do bulk fills this way as means dont modify rifle and it can then still use the 12gr diposables as well,if done right this way of bulk filling will also look good,made up several such extensions for different rifles this way and found best looking and a very practical way of bulk filling this type of rifle. cheers mike"
I'll google 12g hpa cartridge now and see what comes up.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 9:28am
Has anyone carried out this modification on their cr600w? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boMJS4LV4Ew" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boMJS4LV4Ew from 3:09. I believe the internals are the same or very similar between the CP2 and CR600w, so adding a hard rubber spacer 4mm thick 10mm diameter should be a simple and reversable way to increase the power. Someone in the comments claimed to get an additional 80fps from their CR600w by adding a slightly stronger hammer spring which would have the same effect as the spacer.
Any drawbacks I should consider? I read it might increase the weight of the trigger and add a little extra recoil. Of course the shot count will go down too.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 9:29am
Billbobnz wrote:
I'll get more photos tomorrow for you.
About 30-40 decent shots with the 16grm capsules. I used to wait 30sec between shots to get better consistently with them too. |
Did you get a chance to take any photos. I'd be interested to know how you are using 16grm capsules and also how your bipod is attached. Cheers
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 3:04pm
I think there may be an issue with my CR600 but I'm not sure. When loading a pellet into the breech, I meet resistance about 5-10mm before the bolt in all the way forward. It takes a little additional force to push the bolt the final short distance to close and almost feels like something is catching as was the resistance is overcome it clicks forward and down without any trouble.
This seems to be after the pellet has been pushed from the magazine and once it is in the breech. Does anyone else with a cr600w have something similar or does the bolt close smoothly all of the way.
My concern of course it that the pellet is catching and in pushing it forward the pellt may be damaged affecting accuracy. I've yet to strip the rifle down but probably will do sooner rather than later.
The accuracy isn't too bad but there are certainly fliers. I attributed this to the pellets but it could be that they are getting damaged during loading.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 3:36pm
Have same thing with 1322. I'm assuming there is a lip where barrel connects, or possibly one over the inlet hole. Possible that the bolt and loading chamber arnt perfectly lined. It is a cheaper pistol. However as I'm a single loader I point the gun down and it falls into chamber sweet as. Think I noticed it first after barrel/breach change.
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 4:03pm
It may be the air port may have a bur in the hole
Or try a different pellets. I do remember a h&n barracuda being quite tight
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 4:47am
You might find the breech need deburring.
A couple of years ago I bought 2 CR600W off Guncity on a $1 Res auction, as damaged. One had a scratched valve from factory swarf, so I polished that out, but the other had pellets stuck in the barrel from a rough loading breech. Easy fix.
They are easy guns to work on, so you could quite easily take the barrel out and smooth off the loading breech/port/leade thingy.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 3:18pm
Yes I suspect it might be catching on the breech hole. What would be the best tool/method for deburring the breech hole? I plan on drilling out the ports etc so will need to do some deburring after that most likely.
I only have the one type of pellet to try right now but will try some others soon.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 3:52pm
I have used a wooden dowel that I shaped to fit, then used sandpaper wrapped around it. If there are any obvious burrs, target them, then smooth it all off. Check the transfer port as well to make sure there aren't burrs there too.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 4:19pm
Pauly5 wrote:
I have used a wooden dowel that I shaped to fit, then used sandpaper wrapped around it. If there are any obvious burrs, target them, then smooth it all off. Check the transfer port as well to make sure there aren't burrs there too. |
That sounds like a good way to do it. I'm assuming a course to medium grid sandpaper would be ok?
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 4:28pm
22cal bronze barrel brush could work too
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 4:36pm
Is there a reason these refillable 12g co2 capsules http://www.ebay.com/itm/124618547296" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/124618547296 couldn't be extended with a piece of threaded tubing in the middle, so they fit the space where 3 normal 12g co2 capsules go?
It would be great to have a couple of ~36g bulk filled co2 containers that could be used without making any modifications to the rifle. I think this is essentially what dvlnme said he has made in a different thread but I'm not exactly sure how he made his.
I'm assuming there is a reason why this isn't something everyone is doing, as on the surface it seems like a great solution. One thing I'm unsure about is if you could simply drop one of the refillable capsules into the gun and have it work without making any changes to it?
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 2:36am
Elliot87 wrote:
Pauly5 wrote:
I have used a wooden dowel that I shaped to fit, then used sandpaper wrapped around it. If there are any obvious burrs, target them, then smooth it all off. Check the transfer port as well to make sure there aren't burrs there too. |
That sounds like a good way to do it. I'm assuming a course to medium grid sandpaper would be ok? |
I wouldn't go any more coarser than 400 grit, then I would finish with a higher grit so it's nice and polished for the pellet to travel over. You could even get autosol and using the wood dowel, polish it. The dowel should mold to the harder surface. Making sure to remove all traces of autosol from the barrel afterwards too.
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 5:59pm
Those refillable canisters I'm sure you could extend. dvlnme will know best on this idea.
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 6:51am
I'm sure we will hear from Dvlnme soon. He has had an eye injury and been unable to look at screens for a while.
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Posted By: Elliot87
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 12:23pm
Pauly5 wrote:
I'm sure we will hear from Dvlnme soon. He has had an eye injury and been unable to look at screens for a while. |
I had seen that he hadn't been active on here for a few months and before I joined, so I didn't want to message him out of the blue about it.
------------- Pom that wants to be a kiwi
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Posted By: Loud_Whisper
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2025 at 4:40pm
Hey mate, not sure if you got this sorted or if this may help someone else, but; I just got one of these and have had the same thing. I removed the barrel and was able to replicate the fault and found pellets were coming out badly scarred from the magazine itself. I found the magazine doesn't sit perfectly aligned with the barrel, and pushing the bolt forward makes this worse. I did two things to help improve this: 1, Disassemble magazine and slightly chamfer the inner edge of the hole the pellet exits through (80% of the improvement came from this) I used a small dremel tool with a cone shaped grinding wheel, but there are many ways to skin this cat. 2, Note that the magazine itself moves quite far when the bolt comes forward, especially with a badly snagged pellet. On the front face of the magazine there's an empty thread down the bottom right corner (looking at magazine from shooter's POV) I put a screw in this and cut the head off just above the surface. This holds the mag in place and stops it wobbling around and exasperating snagged pellets. This was the remaining 20% of the imrpovement.
The gun now cycles exactly as it should. I should say I also used a small wooden dowel with P400 (wet) to deburr around the transfer port and inner barrel, recommended if yours aren't smooth already.
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2025 at 5:27pm
Hello, that is interesting you had that issue. Mine is and has been perfect since I got it. The mag fits snug and has no movement.
Have you done another mods?
We mis Dvlnme you may have heard that he passed away.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2025 at 9:12am
Nice fix Elliott. Good bit of kiwi ingenuity. Ill file that away in the old grey matter as a useful concept incase i ever need it. Hey bill bob do you want a neoprene sleeve for that co2 bottle on your cr? I brought a pair to make a cheek riser for the 1322. Only need one. Be a stable insulator compared to bare metal.
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Posted By: Loud_Whisper
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 2:10pm
Yeah, I bought this used at around 5 years old I believe, so there has been a fair bit of wear and tear on it. I hadn't done any mods on the gun at the time I fixed the magazine slop above, but have since: 1) Bored all transfer ports to 4.5mm and sanded with P400(wet, and may re-do this) 2) Drilled valve cavity to slightly increase shot volume. Around 3-5mm deeper (did not widen) and added washers to valve spring to keep valve preload the same as it was. This is to try and avoid worsening the already leaking poppet valve. (washers to be removed once leak is remedied and hopefully uncork it further) 3) Mirror finished hammer and hammer tube, polished starting with wet and dry, starting at P400 and ending at P1000. Applied a 'very' small amount of graphite lube here. 4) Added 4x washers to increase hammer spring preload (approx 4mm) 5) Re-packed silencer using the 2x plastic spacers from my Hatsan 135QE + some woollen (?) blanket between spacer & can. Kept 2 of the factory "washers" in place. 6) Removed trigger and pinched trigger housing together a few fractions of a mm. No shims needed! Lazy but free and gave an 80% improvement with 2 minutes of trial and error.
Chrono readings from my android app are low and inconsistent versus what I'd hope for after these mods (9-12fpe, hoped for 15-18 based on Minty's experience) Waiting for arrival real chrono arriving next week from ali before I really dig into this but keen to hear anyone's thoughts.
Next mods: #Bulk fill of some type. #Re-finish stock including a Co2 removal tool to stow in/under butt plate
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 3:54am
From my basic understanding, and ive not looked to deep into co2. Its got a limit of pressure. Heat effects it. The push of co2 gives a higher fpe with larger cal. But i am assuming you need to increase volume for this.would also assume that being the case a heavier pellet of same cal increases fpe The bigger the bottle the more consistent the shot. The faster you shoot the more it cools itself and drops pressure. A longer barrel helps. As say i dont really know squat about co2 and thats just stuff that seems to be in the grey matter. Also rember a video where a guy sujested using special cylinders that had some sort of additive that helped to maintain the seals and lubricate the valves every half dozen cylinders. Walther made them I think. Though my tube of pellgun oil states its for co2 as well and does the same thing. You seem pretty onto it on the tinkering side. 👍
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 4:42am
Good work. Have you opened up the poppet valve yet? I had one of these guns I'd bought as faulty and swarf had scratched the valve faces. It polished out, or I made a new one, can't remember, but it was an easy fix.
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Posted By: Loud_Whisper
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 5:28am
Yep I've opened it up maybe 3 or 4x now. Last night I lapped it with sensodyne toothpaste while assembled and using the spring's tension. No change. At the same time I did remove those washers and shim the hammer spring differently, so it's now getting 13-15fpe. It just can't be left for more than an hour or 3, which makes casual bird shooting hard.
What did you polish yours with?
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 9:34am
It would have been autosol. I think I used a wooden dowel that I shaped to match and used that with autosol. I'll try and look up photos of the valve from when I did it.
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