What make and age is this rifle?
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Topic: What make and age is this rifle?
Posted By: Billbobnz
Subject: What make and age is this rifle?
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 10:26am
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Good morning all, I have recently been offered this old air rifle that is in quite a bad state. does anyone recognize this as to what make and model this is, and also what approximate age this rifle is?   |
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 11:32am
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thats an oldy Will,looks like and old qauckenbush,think spelt that right,you been rooting round in old sheds again??got that desease myself eh!!amazing whats still out there,i come accross old firearms and airguns quite often in somes back shed no ones been into since grandad died years before,lot old interesting things in old disused sheds eh!!all my airgun books out on loan so cant positivly identify the rifle for you. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 12:01pm
| Thanks Mike, I haven't brought it yet. I brought some old tools of a old guy and got talking before he dug this out. Barrel looks like it could be rusted out and the cocking system isn't working. May be just a display rifle but will see what I can do to restore it. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 4:20pm
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could be a Gem. The issue of restoring could be availability of parts - anything missing or damaged would most likely have to be machined. But see what he wants for it, it may be worth tidying up as much as possible to see if it has potential to go, and if not it would be a cool wall hanger. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 6:06pm
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Thanks for that, he came back to me this afternoon with a price tag of $100 so Im stupid not to take it. Done a little investigation as to the make/model but cannot find anything that resembles this design yet. The only numbers or markings that I could find is the serial numbers in the breech (0326) |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 8:25am
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bit of a shame some one used center punch to stake barrel in,making parts shouldnt be problem as long as the origional broken or worn parts still there for patterns,will be quite simple mechanically would think, cheers mike
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Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 10:43am
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Nice, for that price why not!. Looks to have been many brands that made Gem type air rifles, including Diana. Once you clean it up some makers marks may appear. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 12:59pm
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be nice project for you,something bit different allways fun. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 1:40pm
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Picked it up last night, is missing the piston spring. The leather piston seal looks ok and is still fitting well in piston chamber. Spider web in the barrel and actually looks not too bad down inside. From a whole lot of research well into the night going by the shape of the trigger guard, barrel size etc... Is it could be a Flurscheim/Bergmann Gem from between 1880-1900. All I can find so far is the serial number and a couple of other numbers on the trigger sear and guard. Will keep you all posted |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:07pm
| Interesting looking gun. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 9:29am
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hi Paul,havnt seen you around for while bud,cool old gun eh,they still out there hidden in atics,and old sheds etc,like old cars they turn up in some funny places hidden in plain sight some times for years til some stubbles on them again. cheers mike
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Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 5:46pm
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Hi Billbo, Just dug out the December 2020 issue of Air Gunner magazine and it shows several old and early Quackenbush's on pages 96-100. They certainly look similar to your rifle, Billbo? If you haven't got a copy of this Air Gunner magazine, I could scan in the article and attach it to another reply to this thread if you'd like? If so, how do I attach a "pdf" file to a reply? Cheers, Myson. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 5:53pm
Oooops... forgot to mention that this article also shows some "Gem"-style rifles too.... that also look similar! 
------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 8:16pm
| Thanks Dave, no I haven't seen that article, would be great to see if you don't mind. If you can't upload here send them to me at william.mascull@gmail.com |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:00am
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Will do William.... I'll try to load here soon, and I'll email just in case. Hope you find it helpful.... Cheers, Dave. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:06am
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Many thanks, anything is helpful with these old beauties. The link below I've found helpful https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/gem-air-rifles/gem-air-rifles/ |
Posted By: Myson
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:21am
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I've just emailed you the article William. Now trying to attach here too, for those who might like to read it.... Cheers, Myson. See: uploads/420/Article_for_Bill.pdf" rel="nofollow - uploads/420/Article_for_Bill.pdf ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7jVyBfFqE Air Arms S510 US .22 Air Arms S410 .22 Weihrauch HW97KT .177 Weihrauch HW95 .177 |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2021 at 1:19pm
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Good afternoon all, haven't done anymore on this little Gem until today being a rainy Sunday. I think I may have mentioned before that the only thing missing on this rifle is the spring. Does anyone in their parts bins have a spring that is 15mm or 16mm(max) in diameter? May have to use a pistol spring. Length needs to me around 200mm long approx (still need to accurately measure this length) but I don't mind if it's longer as I can cut it to length. |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 9:01am
If you measure the diameter, the thickness of the wire, and count the coils (I imagine the spring would have compressed over the years of use.) you may be able to get a close match - Ron Young may have something in all his spare bits. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Billbobnz wrote:Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 9:21am
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got a spring here Will i took out of an old Jelly rifle while back,its 12.5 mm dia and 220mm long 2mm wire,not very strong spring but the rifle prob dosnt need strong spring anyway,yours if you want it,you can try it anyway and bin if not suitable,as will only get binned here. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 9:42pm
| Thanks Mike, I'll send you a PM to arrange some payment and shipping for you |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2021 at 8:08am
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got give it a go mate,allways fun to bring what looks like junk back to life,and its cool old rifle anyway prob find a cheap springer with good barrel and rebarrel it,been munted to much to be really collectable its valve is as a fun old shooter really. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2023 at 7:56am
| Would anyone be interested in restoring this little beauty? |