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Posted By: Graywulf
Subject: hello to everyone
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 3:17am
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not exactly an experienced shooter, had/have an old gamo .22 that was for rat and magpie plinking, but live in an area with possums as well now. As I found the seal had gone on my old gamo, I've just upgraded to a Hatsan 125 vortex .25 cal. Have a scope coming for it. (6-24x50) Did think about the Carnivore .30, but the lack of ammunition types (.30) decided me on the .25 cal, and from what I have read, up to around 50yrds, the .25 really doesn't lose much hitting power compared to. Only fired one slug through it, compared to cocking and recoil of the gamo? What a beast of a rifle. So guess I am open to advice, knowledge about this rifle. Most youtube reviews are on grouping, FPE and FPS, not really much about real world hunting with it. I know accuracy is important, but there may be options for hunting that are close to the JP diablo slugs (that seem popular for target groupings), but give far better hitting power. So I can see rabbit and possum shooting being on the cards in the near future as a 'hobby'. |
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 9:24am
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welcome mate,allways good see new member,not much happening around here at moment for some reason,guess many are just busy trying get life back together after lock down,myself included,not really into springers so dont know much bout them and what ammo works best for them,but there are plenty others who do,some one bound to know what you need. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 3:43pm
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Greetings, I have a 125 sniper in .25cal it is my prefered choice for rabbits, possums and anything else in my sights. It makes a brilliant hunting rifle and yes the noise of the pellet hitting the rabbit is louder than the rifle going off. JSB Diablo Exacts are the best pellets through this gun. H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme are also very good too. I have sighted mine in for 40m and with a mill-dot scope i know where the pellets are gitting for 60 and 80m. Furtherest kill shot on a rabbit is 65m so far. |
Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 8:46pm
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Thank you for that. Mine is the 'standard' stock, synthetic, so didn't come with a scope. Having read reviews online and youtube, I decided to go for a standard rifle so to fit an alternative. Made one mistake already, bought a CVlife 2.5-10 but it has a one piece mounting, and doesn't fit the Hatsan rail so now waiting on it's 'replacement'. So it seems the slugs they use for target accuracy are the best hunting ones too, thanks for that info. I've ordered a few different types to play with. Have you tried the predator polymag's in it? They are one of the option's I have ordered.
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 9:37pm
| I got mine without scope. Is your gun the QE version? I haven't tried polymags yet but have seen on youtube them being used through these guns. The JSB's do fire better than the H&N pellets. Once you are happy with a pellet Leave it sighted for it and stick to that type. The H&N group 4 inches below the JSB's at 40m with my gun. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 9:42pm
| It aldo took around 200 JSB's to break in the rifle, now getting a 1.5inch group at 40m and still slowly getting tighter. I need a higher quality scope on this gun. Got s cheap 3-9X50. Dreaming for a side focus ffp |
Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 11:51pm
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Yes it's the QE version, you can still hear a 'pop', but I gather they are a bit noisier, stiffer to cock etc during the first xxxx shots. I was anticipating one or two pellets will be better for the gun, and would have ranged at 40 yds for that one. As the coming scope is mil dot, I'll have some kind of reference. The other had an adjustment for AR15 rounds, and 1,2,3,4 and 500 mtrs as a 'preset' on the turret. the coming one just has the mil dots. I picked it as the guy on 'my airgun review' (youtube) said he'd had good results with one on a .25. Guess I may have to look at a back-up if I get into hunting, otherwise the CVlife scope will just sit and gather dust. I doubt I'll be looking to pop bunnies over 40-50mtrs, so it sounds as if I selected the right rifle for the job.
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 6:51am
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big fan of JSB and HN pellets myself,there other good pellets out there as well, but very happy with these so i dont bother playing around with others now,preditors work well in my rifles and are very accurate as well,as for scopes the cheaper ones are bit of a lottery,i have had excellent service from Hawk,Airking and evan the cheaper Leapers/UTG scopes on my pcps but dont know how the lighter built Leapers would stand up to powerful springers as i dont own any springers,have found over the years with both firearms and airguns that the lower you can mount scopes to the barrel the less sighting issuses there are as line of sight and bore are closer together and scopes in high mounts are easier to knock out of alignment and can work lose on guns with a bit of recoil over time. the height of buttstock can dictate the scope mounting height too,i am not a receational hunter,like most country boys i am more of a pest shooter,my targets include everything from rats/rabbits/possums/ferrets/feral cats and pest birds like magpies/mynas etc,bassically anything that affects the native wildlife and my free ranging chooks and i am ruthless on all them,i never go anywhere around here without an airgun with me,so i proberly shoot more then most recreational hunters as its an every day thing with me,so am very familliar with the guns i use and know their capablitys very well,have never used a 25 cal yet as have just started work on building my first 25 cal rifle but am dead keen on having rifle in this cal for feral cats having found the 22 cal not allways up to cats,evan with 25.4 gr pellets at 850fps the 22s dont seem to have enough punch once distances get past 40 yds at times,so thinking 30gr 25s at 900fps should do the job better so looking forward to having the 25 due to bigger,heavier pellets at slightly higher velocity and more energy. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 10:57am
| Mike you need to join me in Ashburton district hunting wild cats. I haven't taken a cat with my .25 yet but i agree with you that they are very tough and .22 at long distances dont do much to them. We have had a plague of cats around our block over the years and i would often stalk them for ages untill they were with in 15m for a clear head shot. Baiting them was the best way to get them close |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 6:25am
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we have a constant and ongoing problem with feral cats here,had one get in the house few weeks back,the dog took to it and it bolted back the way it got in and missed the cat door by 4inchs hit the glass and broke it and went out the hole it made,mustve hit glass so hard as not easy to break saftey glass eh!!going on blood left behind must hurt its self bad,as hasnt been back and havnt been able to find it,so proberly bleed to death in bush next to house some where,not first one been inside either,shot the last one as my tom cat had it bailed just inside cat door so couldnt get out,a 25.4gr 22 pellet at close to 900fps in head killed it on spot,it was a real big and heavy cat too,every school holidays we seem get more due to so called caring pet owners dumping pets to go on holidays,there allso seems to be a breeding colony of cats some where around here as well ,but have never been able to locate them dispite some the locals and i having organised tiger hunts every now and again,we keep numbers down but never seem to get on top of them,we all got live traps around our places an catch quite a few as well,i do all my serious cat hunting with a little 22lr rimfire double rifle i built many years ago specifically for hunting cats and possums,as it gives me two very fast shoots and handles like a good shotgun,so its deadly on fast moving cats and have more confidence in the rimfire than the 22 pcp guns on these tough to kill critters.good to hear from another tiger hunter. cheers mike
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 2:07am
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I have bought one tin of the Eunjin 43.2 grain hunting slugs. There are supposed to have around 500 FPS at the muzzle on my rifle, and were quoted as have good effect on larger small game, Groundhogs,Raccoon etc. I'd guesss in a PCP they would hit like a hammer. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 8:33am
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Hi Graywulf, Great to see a new face here. Paul. ------------- |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 9:46am
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hi Paul,some years ago i had a korean lever action 22 pcp rifle that could push 32 gr pellets out muzzle at 1050 fps,at time that was heavest 22 pellets there were it wouldve been a great rifle for those 40 plus gr pellets got rid rifle because it was so heavy,best thing bout the real heavy pellets is they hold velocity better and for much further than light faster pellets,so actually shoot flatter over longer distances and buck wind lot better as well,i shoot 16.4gr pellets out of the BSA rifle got from you Paul at 24fpe at just over 800fps they shoot flat out to as far 100yds and will penertrate 200mm balistic gell at 100yds,still cant get over just how well that little 177 rifle performs mate,havnt shot it for groups at 100yds but accurate enuf i can keep 3/4 shots into a 100mm x 100mm block of gell at 100yds,no probs on magpies out to 100 m,just drops them on spot,ran out of 18 and 32 gr pellets long time ago in 22 cal but the other BSA 22 rifle pushs 25.4 gr jsbs out at 780fps for 40 fpe and shoots flat out to 100yds as well,not powerful enuf i think for heavier pellets tho,velocitys would be too low to get a flat trajectory with any thing heavier,now these 40 plus gr pellets out wish had kept that heavy korean rifle eh!!wouldve been fun to try with these new heavier pellets,actually had 2 different korean lever riles the other had tuned in US for 40gr bullets at approx 105 fpe,this one wouldve been just ducks nuts with 40 gr pellets tho wouldve been close to supersonic with 40gr fine for bullets but so great for pellets eh!!bout to do first test firing with the 22 pcp revolver Paul,so that guna be interesting and bit fun,going do tests tethered without reg fitted but run gun at the same 1800psi reg set for,so can tune gun to suit reg before i fit it,but wont really know shot counts until reg fitted and filled to its 3200 psi fill pressures,gun set up for full power setting at approx 30 /33fpe depending on pellet weights etc,expecting at lest 12 shots on this setting off reg at 3200 psi fills,but time will tell eh!! cheers mike
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 6:43pm
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Gee, can't wait to see the pistol in action. ------------- |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 7:31am
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i would think they would if they had a bit more velocity behind them be nasty,velocity not everything tho,just gives more energy and flatter trajectory,but a 42gr 22 pellet going to have lot of penertration and over penertration not allways a good thing as it wastes energy unless it does massive damage on the way thru and the higher the velocity is when it hits the more damage it will do,the other side is that if it stays inside the animal due to low velocity,it will dump all its energy inside the animal.seems to work either way,i have killed foxs in aussie with a 22 cal springer and 16gr pellets doing approx 750fps at muzzle for approx 18fpe at muzzle,its not allways bout the amount of energy but more bout pellet placement,i alls have shot quite few good sized feral goats with 22 cal pcps 16/18gr pellets at 800/900 fps in the 24/35 fpe range,all were brain shots and death was instant,25 would be better choice with 30 gr pellets for larger animals like goats and small pigs than 22cal,but both work just fine with good pellet placement, i have no doubt my little 177 firing 16,2 gr pellets at 830 fps for 24fpe would kill a goat with a head shot as it will put that 16,2 gr pellet thru just over 200mm of ballistic gell at 100yd leaving an impressive wound channel,would be interesting to see what that 42gr pellets does out of your rifle over the chrony as thats lot of lead for a springer to push. cheers mike
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 7:53am
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getting there Paul as you know been long slow process mate,trouble is i think just too damned fussy bout getting everything exactly as i want it,been too many times could have been at this stage and fired the thing,then decided didnt like something and set bout changing it again,completly redesigned and rebuilt gun since you seen it,having decided was too heavy,so threw out the origional brass valve and made new valve from alli,and gained extra 11cc of hpa capacity in process by redesigning the valve,and took out 10 oz in weight just by getting rid the heavy brass valve,was worth while but getting bit anal as i then redesigned the guns frame and took out another 2 oz in weight,think got it all now,cant see anything else to get anal bout mate,it was getting bit rediculous,this constant changing things sort got out of hand and i am still thinking of adding another power setting on top the two it allready has as want shoot gun at club and evan on its current low power setting of 24fpe its bit too powerful i think,looking at adding lower setting in the 15/16 fpe range,if i can get that off regulater,which is set at 1800psi more mucking around eh,but this time will leave that til gun gun tuned and running right on the other power settings before start messing with it again eh!!think got to stage i just need stop messing with it and get to just shooting and enjoying it. cheers mike
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 8:51am
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here we go Paul,first shots thru the revolver,bottles needed filling so only had 2900psi to play with ,filled to 2700psi,filled mag with 12 15.43 bsa pellets fired 12 shots over chrony,this is what i got,849.1/855.7/884.8/903.8/917.0/945.5/909.1/897.1/875.2/852.3/826.7/820.2.a min of 23fpe and max of28fpe,this is without reg fitted,and 500psi below intended fill pressure,28fpe was at the same 1800psi the regulater set for,so i resonably can expect 12 shots or more off reg from the full 3200psi fill at 28fpe with this pellet weight i would think,did two more 5 shot tests with 14.3 and 21.3 gr pellets before bottles fell below 2700psi,so discontinued further tests til get bottle filled as gun seemed have sweet spot between 2300psi and 1800psi i filled gun to 2300psi for these 5 shot tests,5 shots with 21.3 gr gave 810.8/820.2/821.9/827.7/809.1,which gave 30.96fpe at lowest and 32.48fpe at highest using 14.3 gr for 5 shots at same 2300 psi fill got 943.4/963.3/960.4/948.2/930.7 thats 27.46fpe at lowest/29.47fpe at highest,looks like with bit tuning and reg fitted using the 3200psi fills i got a goody on my hands here mate,had few leak issuses so will pull gun down and replace seals before i continue testing,prob fit reg at same time,so interesting mate,will update when done work on gun . cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 3:06pm
| Graywulf, let me know what your heavy Enjin pellets are like through the gun. Ive just been sending H&N Barracuda 30.86gr through my gun. They drop 2 mildots lower over 50yrds than the hunter extreams and obviously alot slower but hit very hard. Im hopefully doing a rabbit hunt on Monday so will update you on any successes. |
Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 10:46pm
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Will do, but no idea yet WHEN, I'll get a chance to go shooting with them. |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 1:59pm
| I got 1 rabbit yesterday at 40m and a pesky wild cat that ive been stalking on and off for the last 6 months. I finally got this from 30m this morning. Both taken with my Hatsan 125 sniper .25cal, using H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme pellets. The cat managed another 10m before it expired. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 2:21pm
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Good shooting. Gotta hit those cats right. ------------- |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2020 at 2:25pm
| Ive tried to upload a photo but its not working |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 9:21am
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like Paul said got hit cats just right eh,evan with hi vell 22 rimfire they can be tough to kill at times,how do those barracuda extreme pellets go? got some in 22 cal but havnt tryed them yet,they certainly look nasty, cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 3:51pm
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Hello Mike, Barracuda Hunter Extremes are my most popular pellets. My .177 rifles love them as well as my .25cal. They definitely do the job and hit like a hammer. The cat inshot yesturday was the first cat with this rifle and when it ran off after the shot, i reloaded ready for a follow up shot but never needed it. They are very accurate too. My advise to you is try them out and let me know how you find them, im guessing they will become one of your favorites very quickly too. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 8:52am
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can you put pic up of them got some nasty looking barracuda hollow points here some one gave me in 177 and 22,was wondering if they the same,use lot barracuda pellets in 177 and 22 they allways been accurate in my guns and little heavier than most pellets too which i like,proberly my favourite all round pellet in my 40 fpe 22 rifle,and plan use these 21.3 gr pellets in revolver as well on full power the revolver will be giving 32fpe with 21.3 gr pellets so guna pack a wallop for a pistol particually as it should give 12/13 shots off regulater at that fpe level by our calculations,if those nasty pellets you are using come close to 21gr in 22 they should be awsume in the revolver. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 2:10pm
Finally, here are some pics of the rabbit and cat taken with Barracuda Hunter Extreme .25cal   |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 2:13pm
Size difference .177 vs .25 - H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme  |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2020 at 6:17am
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thanx for pics,my next questions are,do they expand reliably,what velocity is your 25 cal rifle driving them at?the barracuda hollow points i have look like the same pellet,but without the cross hatching,dont really know if they expand as the 22 rifle i have used them in has enuf power to drive them right thru everything i have shot with them,into the ground behind the target so those i did recover were munted by impact with ground,but going on comparisions of damage caused by simialler weght pellets and thehollow point versions,the hollow point did more damage,so logical to assume the hollow points were opening up to some degree i guess,use 14,3gr crosman pellets at times in same rifle and have chronoed them at just over 1000fps and i know they definatly expand in fact they disintergrated as only ever find bitz of them but thats got lot to do with the high velocity i think ,have seen some good reports on the pellets you using and them expanding but one ones said at what velocity,velocity got lot to do with how well a hollow point projectile expands as far as lead bullets go and there been lot pulished data on lead bullet performance particually regarding handguns,as velocitys from handguns are very simialler to airguns the results should be very simialler i would think and pellets lot more fragile than lead bullets,would be very useful if pellet manufacturers published the data from their test results in more detail for us to read,maybe some us could get together and do some testing of our own as a project and put results up on here,easy enuf to make a balistic gell as test medium i as well as few others have a chrono and would be interested in doing such a project. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 7:36am
| Yes good idea, i dont have a chrony but will be able to do a Gel test. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 7:47am
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done lot gel tests over the years with both firearms and airguns,tho gell not exactly like the real thing it does give a very good indication of projectile performance in flesh,it will certainly prove or disprove if or how a hollow point will work,its allways amazed me just how much damage and the size of wound chanel can be evan with a domed pellet that dosnt expand can do,many domed pellets will deform significantly if hitting bone,particually if velocitys are still high at impact,most airgun pellets evan if impacting at 450fps will easily kill rabbits /possums with a brain shot and can penertrate more than one would think,old rule of thumb with airguns was that a domed pellet losses 50% its fpe by 50yds in 177bcal with 7.5/8 gr pellets and bout same with 14/16 gr 22 pellets,things change significantly if pellets weights get heavier as heavy pellets tho having lower velocity retain velocity better for longer so retain more energy for further its not really all about fpe with airguns but accurracy and putting pellets in exactly the right place,of course the more powerful the airgun and the bigger and heavier the pellets get the more effective they can become and the less critical perfect shot placement can become,the amount damage done with body shots with heavy 22/25 cal pellets leaving barrel at 1050fps has to be seen to be believed at times on rabbits etc,i have recently done some gel tests using my 177 cal 24fpe rifle with 16.4gr pellets at 100yds,dont know what velocity was at 100yds but pellet went right thru 200mm of gel and left massive wound chanel,couldnt believe what happened with such a tiny pellet,those 16.4 gr 177 pellets left barrel at only 830 fps according to my chrono,so you never really know what really happens until you look eh!! cheers mike
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 2:01am
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wow, well no hunting, not yet zeroed in over any distance, but 20 mtrs? Air Arm Diablo 25 gr. pellets. Geeeze this thing indeed hits like a hammer. Certainly 'hefty' to cock, having to try and master the 'artillery hold'. Getting reasonable accuracy (hitting a 35mm target every time at 20mtr). Only a few shots a day, so going to take a wee while to break in the rifle. But holy heck, nothing remotely like my old .22. Recoil not as bad as I expected, due to nitro piston? but still very noticeable compared. Think I will give it a couple more weeks, and then possibly take it into some areas I know are thick with bunnies, and have a wee session. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 7:19am
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the gas piston certainly an improvement over the usual springs eh and many can be adjusted to change power levels over quite a wide range as well by changing pressure inside the ram,gas ram guns a proberly the best improvement to this type of airgun in many years. cheers mike
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 11:57pm
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Yes Mike, I'm guessing my old .22 was probably around 12fpe at the muzzle, this one is supposed to be around 27/28, and boy it notices. The obvious difference is the lack of the 'sproing' sound of a springer, and even though it has greater recoil, it feels 'smoother'. I suspect that once I go bunny popping, this thing is going to knock them over hard when the slug hits. Sadly no adjustment on this gun, all you can do is 'top up' the ram if it needs it.
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 7:09am
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the adjustments are in the amount of pressure you put into the ram,at fpe levels yours is putting out i doubt it needs powering up eh!!but by reducing ram pressure you can reduce power or tune it to exactly what you want i would think,give Alex Magon a call at magair he tunes ram guns and can tell you far more bout it than i can as the little i do know Alex told me some years ago,i am a pcp man and have been for 20 years,your rifle if fpe quoted is correct is right up there with many 22 pcp rifles and having shot several foxs in aussie some years back with 17/18 fpe 22 springers i am certain that once you learn to shoot it effectively it will easily take done anything you point it at very nicely in this country i find feral cats the toughest critters to kill cleanly even with 22 rimfires i think cats are harder to kill cleanly than foxs dispite foxs being significantly larger than foxs.cats are tougher to kill,my 40fpe 22 bsa sportsman evan with 25.4 gr pellets isnt allways reliable on cats if pellet dosnt go exactly in right place so i never take on cats unless they at 25yds or less now with this 40fpe rifle,with this in mind i am currently in process of designing a more powerful 25cal pcp lever action rifle for cats as my next build project i want this rifle to run in 60/65fpe range with heavier 30 plus gr pellets the theory being larger caliber heavier pellets at same velocitys as the smaller caller 25.4 gr pellets should be more effective and reliable on cats but time will tell on that one i guess. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 7:34pm
I still haven't completed a Ballistic Gel test on the .25 H&N Barracuda Hunter Extreme. I did do a water test with a 20L bucket full of water and fired into it from 1m. Below right is the result and it opened up a lot more than i expected. it is a little lopsided but i am assuming it was because of the angle into the water. the force of it hitting the water made the bucket split so i have to buy my wife a new bucket!! |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:58am
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plastic buckets not good idea eh as you found out lot more hydrolic pressure involved than you would think when that projectile forces the water out of its way eh!!from what have seen online this pellet out of a high velocity pcp expands very consistantly more,velocity has a lot to do with how or if a lead expands or dosnt,the shape of the hollow point dosnt really effect expansion that much at low velocitys,it was allways a known with soft lead pistol bullets that it took approx 1000fps for a hollow point lead bullet to expand reliably in flesh etc,that was reason police departments went to 357 mag revolvers in the 1970s. i have large collection of pellets taken from airguns over many years from kills i made,most have some deformation on noses,some from hi vel pcp rifles are absolutely munted,very few hollow point pellets have expanded reliably from low vel rifles,the only one that usually will are polymag preditors and how much these expand allways depends on velocity,i never count on any pellet expanding reliably,i choose pellets for best accurracy,all pellets will cause some trauma and damage from wound channel.the hydroscopic effect from impact and pernertration usually will cause qiute a large eound channel internally,how large that channel is and the damage seems be caused more by diameter of pellet than anything else from my observations,same as is with lead bullets in firearms,the bigger the slug the more the damage,evan without expansion a 45 cal lead bullet does lot damage and will usually out pernertrate a hi vel jacketed 30 cal bullet,but niether work if you dont put them in the right place eh!!in my experience using both airguns and firearms with lead projectiles you choose if you want pernertration or expansion without penertration both work but do different jobs,in airguns like i use i like the heavier pellets best as they hold velocity better for longer and therefore retain more energy at longer distances,the down side can be a more rainbow like tradjectory with heaveier pellets any way an interesting topic we could kick around for days. cheers mike
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 8:31pm
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I'm going by Hatsan's claims (which most seem to say is pretty accurate) with lead pellets ( believe 25 grain, .25 cal) it's quoted as 750 fps, and I've seen online testing (youtube) of around 510/520 fps with 40grain .25 pellets. Which is about the same rate as the .30 cal Hatsan that uses the identical power plant. The weekend I got myself some metal targets for practice/plinking. At around 20/25 mtrs I don't think the 4 little tip over, (then hit a little reset target) targets are going to last long, it hits them HARD. I did get a 3 'swinging' metal target frame for .22 rimfire, about 1/8th thick, and boy you can hear it hit. So going by my old .22, I think Hatsan's FPS/FPE claims may be pretty near right.
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Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 6:55am
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have seen several chrono tests done by very reputable airgun reveiwers of your rifle,Hatsans stated velocitys are pretty much bang on for this rifle,tho each rifle is allways a little different and those tested were brand new rifles,once run in i would expect the rifle to improve a bit from new allso,good rifle from all i have read and seen online.until few years ago a springer 25 cal rifle was pretty much a waste of time,they just didnt have enuf grunt to be any real inprovement over a good 22 cal rifle,but modern tecknology gas changed that significantly,particually with gas rams,nowdays a good gas ram rifle can be in some instances be allmost the equal of some pcp rifles,which changes everything,but evan then just like some pcps the gas rams are at their best with lighter pellets like 25.5 grs etc evan in some pcps,this is where factory stated fpe levels dont really make sense,,because fpe dosnt take into account bore size,so on paper a 25.4 gr pellet at the same velocity in 22/25 calibers produces identical fpe figures,but dosnt take into account the 25 cals larger diameter pellets,this is a case where bore size does make a difference as the 25cal does hit harder and do more damage on target than the same weight 22 pellet at same velocity,therefore the 25 cal is more effective dispite producing the identical fpe level on paper,i am just about to get into 25 cal once have built the rifle that is,my plan is to build this 25cal rifle specificaly to use 30/40 gr pellets at simialler velocitys to 21gr 22 pellets in my other pcp rifles,this means 31gr pellets will be in the hi 850plus fps range with 40gr pellets around 800fps min,otherwise it would be a waste of time me building a 25 cal rifle,this is of course an entirely different thing to your rifle so would expect very different performance on target.you are going to find your steel targets not going to last long with you 25cal rifle,my 35fpe 22 guns destroy spinning targets in very short order,they eventually punch holes thru the back of many airgun pellet traps to,my 3mm stainless steel back plates are twisted and bent out of shape just from 22 cal pcp guns,one has a hole now clean thru it,22rimfire steel targets you are using will take lot abuse,you right eh,you sure know when those big pellets hit steel eh!! i have couple 1/8th 60mm round discs here hanging on fence wires,a hit with a 22cal 21gr pellet has them spinning aound the fence wire quite a few times evan from 24fpe rifle at 750fps,,i know from chronoing 22cal 25.4 gr pellets that produces 31.7 fpe which would be the same fpe your 25 produces with that weight pellet going on Hatsans stated velocitys,thats a pretty powerful rifle on paper and on target it will out perform a 22 with same weight pellet simply because the bore is bigger tho proberly wont have equal penertration to the 22,it dosnt really matter that much. cheers mike
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 9:54pm
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Thanks Mike, yes I agree I don't think the 'fall over, and reset' targets are going to last very long. I guess lesson learned, only buy 'rimfire' targets for this rifle. I may have to take a trip to my ex's place, her drive is about 30-35 mtrs and she has a steep, high, bank at the back of the property. I realised quickly these pellets are going to travel with force, a fair distance. At least I can sight in, for almost hunting distances there. As you say, I did not expect a 'springer' rifle to be this powerful, it's quite an eye opener to how hard it hits.
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Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:22pm
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Yeh I know it's only a 'springer' but it's 'my baby' lol The 'lump' on the barrel is a bipod mount. Scope an AOE 6-24x50 (probably overkill but was a reasonable price, and was 'recommended' as able to handle the recoil).  |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:41pm
| Very nice! If I could only have one gun, a springer would be at the top of my list. |
Posted By: Graywulf
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 12:18am
| I've just been watching a youtube of the 135 .25 (wooden stock version) guy was target range shooting at 100yds, and was still pretty damn accurate, with pretty fair grouping, heck!!! |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 8:54am
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they are getting a real good rep for accurracy,but at the end the day its still the man/woman behind the rifle that brings the best out of it and makes it happen ,in the end it all really comes down to knowing your rifle/what its capable of doing and then learning how to shoot it to make that happen,practice/practice /practice eh!!i shoot all my hunting guns in practice every chance i get,and definately fire more shots in practice than i ever do for hunting,i believe that once you have found the pellet/pellets rifle gives best accurracy from,just stay with it,as pellets are made in batchs,every batch is slightly different,it pays to buy as many you can afford from the batch you got best accurracy from origionally,as next batch just may not be as accurrate,top brand like JSB,H/N and some others are very very consistant over different batchs,but you cant assume they will be exactly the same from batch to batch,barrel cleaning is a big thing as well as soft unlubed lead projectiles will allways leave some small amount of lead in barrel over time,this lead build up will affect accurracy over time as well. without a doubt we live in the golden age of airguns today,our modern airguns are a far cry from those not many years ago,the best of them are very sophisicated shooting machines today,there have been more advances made in airgun technology in last 20 years than in the previous 100 years,and we get the benifits of all that inovation today. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 11:12pm
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Graywulf, JSB Hades pellets in .25 cal have become available on trade me. I've just got a set and can't wait to try them out. I'm having a little trouble with my rifle at the moment. Seems to be spraying bullets everywhere, Might be the scope, might be the gun. Will rebuild it sometime soon. |
Posted By: dvlnme
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 7:17am
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have you ever cleaned the barrel??airgun barrel need to be and should be cleaned every 2/3 hundred shots,they do get build up of lead in rifling that needs to be removed from time to time,never use a bronze brush in airgun barrel,barrels softer than firearms and bronze brush will ruin them,look it up on net,plenty info on this. cheers mike
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Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 7:24am
| Yes I cleaned it a couple of weeks ago, used patches and one of those wooly things. I have noticed that the barrel has a very slight side to side movement in the breech which will explain the lateral spread of the pellets, movement looks like it's coming from the pivot area. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 9:01am
| Maybe it needs shims for that pivot? And are all your stock screws tight? |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 2:08pm
| Stock screws are tight, I need to get some shim stock for another project so that's an idea. Many thanks |