facts are the UK has some the toughest gun laws in the world,they havnt stopped/prevented gun crime,in fact its got worse,the laws this mob wants bring in are far tougher than the UK laws and wont work any better either,it is a blatent lie for police and government to say other wise,but truth has been very thin on the ground here from police and government on this issuse,infact the whole process has been based on lies and political motives,as to how well this will work out for nz police and government is very much dependant on wether most gun owners roll over play dead and comply,if a large nunmber dont or wont they going to have issuses eh!!

 cheers mike

 If airgun users believe they wont be coming after them next,they are very mistaken as they have allready started on airguns by banning the importation of many airguns simplily because nz police dont like the look of them,nz police have just started large purchases of M4 carbines and Glock handguns,as well as new bullet proof vests to replace the stab proof vests,this is a paranoid police force in the process of fully arming them selves agaisnt the public they are meant to protect.

the real facts are that what happened in christchurch was preventable if nz security services and nz police had done their jobs properly,neither agency didso,nz police incompetence and failing to follow the law and proper procedure in issusing a firearms licence,played a very significant role in what happened,in truth blame for it lays entirely on nz police,we will never know the true facts as the enquiry is in secret,to protect the guilty for sure,and obsolve the guilty from any blame or responsiblity this bein the case the blame and responsiblity is being shifted away from government and its guilty agents.this will without be a coverup.

 NAT leader sinion bridges made statement to media on thursday part of which said he was proud to be part of making this country one first in world to be gun free as we allready know judith collins stance on this being very anti gun,seems Nats are now fully backing labour government on new gun laws,the guts of which apparently eventually a total gun ban in nz,yet stangly enough the media nor very few others have picked up on bridges statement and certainly havnt reported it,Winni is definatly now very anti gun and has said so many times on media,so we now definatly know exactly where all our elected polititions stand on this issue,dispite the intended legal challenges about to go court in future,its a done deal,and to believe other wise is to delude ourselves,as to how this will work out for govenment and there bum licking police collegues is anyones guess,i would say its a preety good guess that because the ban not only being on msa rifles but just bout all repeating rifles now being allso include,there will be significant resistance to the new laws by many gun owners once they finally realise how comprehensive this ban is,will be interesting on this plays out,facts are if very significant numbers dont comply there will be very little police and government can do about that,the end result being they will have made many law abiding gun owner criminals at stroke of a pen for no reason,

 just few thoughts on this saga of government and polices lies and bully tactics.

 cheers mike

 food for thought eh! 

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 any one who believes this process is anything but a gun grab by force isnt paying attention,they have no intention of being fair and reasonable and neither do nz police as both partys have very cynically used the nz media and the emotions of the time toconsistantly use lies and half truths to get their agenda thru to a bassically ill informed general public,many of whom dont own guns or understand anything bout guns other than the crap they see in movies and overseas fake news,that are all about crime,terroism and violence,not hunting or other shooting activitys that most gun owners are involved in,so dont really care bout anything else,many still believe our disfunctional police can keep them safe from violence and crime when facts prove to be very different so tend to believe the police lies bout their ablity to doso,its very easy to pick on approx 260,000 leagal gun owners coz police know who they are and where to find them,so make scapegoats out of legal lawabiding gun owners for purely political reasons and to suit police agendas,unfortunatly we have a socialist type government now who just dosnt like guns or their owners that are more than happy to go along for the ride with nz police for political reasons,both partys have exploited what happened in christchurch to the fullest advantage they wring out of it,this must have been mana from heaven,a gift from god to these people and they have taken full advanage of that oppurtunity. i havnt owned ant msa rifles for over 20 years so have no personal axe to gring over msa rifles,but really dont see or believe these rifles pose the thread the public is being lead to believe they do or may do,personally i had allways believe all msa rifles should have been on e cat,no exceptions,but that was then and this is now and they have lied and banned them all along with most lever action carbines firing pistol cartridges as well as many other types of hunting and target shooting rifles,many tube mag 22 rimfire rifles are now allso banned,they havnt left us much.this is exactly what it looks like!! a gun grab in attempt to remove as many once legal guns out of the system as possible and then make so hard to get a gun licence they hope many wont try to in the future,no mention so far in the paper bout airguns,but that too will be on the agenda in future once they have dealt with firearms,you can bet on that,so it would be deluding our selves to believe otherwise,this is all about putting in place a way to remove from nz as many legally owned guns as possible by whatever means they can a will come up with for sure,sadly the nats are allso on their side too,so dont expect the nats to stand up for sane and workable gun laws either,simon bridges and judith collins have clearly made their postion clear on this issuse recently,they will back the government on any new gun laws.

 personally i tend to believe any legal challenges to these new laws will fail,because evan if the courts decide in favour of gun owners i believe the law will be changes to over rule the courts on this one and it wont be first time our government has done so either.any one who believes demococy actually works in nz most be blind and deaf,as it never really has in the past either.demococy in nz is a delusion.

 i worry bout the type of country my grand children will inherit and the type of government they have to live under.

 cheers mike

 what are they actually really going to be able to do if most legal gun owners dont comply with this crap??where does that leave them then???

 i personally havnt owned an msa rifle for many years,but i do own like many others do certain rifles that have been added to the now banned list,some i inherited from my father and i am not prepared to relingish any of them,just because after these rifles having been in my familly in some cases for close to 100 years,just coz they say so,and am certainly not going to butcher them just coz they sayso either,i imagine i am not alone thinking this way either,as to what i will do with these familly treasures i havnt decided,except i wont be turning them in for distruction.i know i am going on a bit bout this situation,but there is more involved here as fars as i am concerned than new draconian gun laws,its allso very much about how they have gone about it to me,with politians right accross the board from all partys being involved for their own political reasons betraying the trust put in them by those who elected them in good faith they had our best intersts in mind,which clearly many didnt.

 its too late as far as i am concerned to forgive the nats for what they did on this issuse coz i certainly wont forget and dont believe other nat voters and supporters should either,many us rural people wont forget or forgive they can take that to the next elections and i hope they pay for it then,when a country has a government that functions and rules this way we are all in trouble,and when a government is trying to disarm the citizens and fully arming its police force with the very firearms its banned its citizens from owning as this mob is now in the process of doing,something is very wrong,no one has yet to explain exactly why we need a police force fully armed with military weapons,or why they have expanded police and security forces powers to search and servail its citizens while taking away the citizens rights to legal process or privacy,we are now living in dangerous times when the powers governments are subverting for their exclusive use only,much of it done covered by a veil of secrecy and without the knowledge of its citizens,we now have a police force thats beyond the legal process with powers that make them unaccountable under the laws as the rest of us very certainly are and are now immune from prosecution under the law,when our police and security services can legally under powers given to them without our permissian secretly break into our homes ,busseness computers to put survailence devices to secretly spy on any one they choose to doso to without going to our courts with evidence to get a legal court issued warrent to doso,we live in a police state and if anyone believes otherwise they are deluding them selves.proberly said enough to get a visit from the powers that be now.

 cheers mike