The old forum, the black one, looks like it will never see the light of day again. If it wasn't for this one we would have nothing. For whatever reasons there may be Wingman and Mintie and Raiser and Hidayat and many others don't show themselves here. Why not. I bet that Hidayat is still slaughtering vermin.

From what I can see the current re-stir of the Arms Act is not going to make any difference to airguns including PCPs.

From my perspective, field target is a spent force especially after the international debacle. Maybe it could become something but it needs to be inclusive rather than picky.  We have lost some gunners after that. From what I hear we are a fragmented bunch that has a very poor communication strategy.

We/you/I have chosen to shun this forum to keep in touch. I am as culpable as all the rest of NZ Airgunners.  The fact is that GTA is more interesting even though it has a lot of bumf.

Petone gun shop has closed but Gun City and Hunting and fishing are still showing racks of airguns. Maybe it is telling but I have never seen anyone apart from me looking at the guns let alone anyone actually buying one but it must happen. Maybe I just miss the sales.

I wonder if somehow the old forum could be incorporated with this one, would it help?  The technicalities are beyond my ken. 

Nothing wrong with that as long as we are talking.

Bugger my grandson has been computering and it keeps poping up little windows about nerds playing games.

NUNGA-- MERGE THE OLD SITE DATA INTO THIS ONE.. 

WHY NOT? I will find out the bloke who had the old sight and ask. The worst that can happen is a NO.

I still remember his name but I have no idea how much work would be involved in making any transfer. Neither how much work in receiving all the data.  Bucket loads of it no doubt.

Interestingly he also had NZ Rimfire sight and that is still going using the same format as the airgun sight. It is still going but has a very subdued contribution volume. 

i note on trade me that there is someone selling pellets and budget guns. I wonder if this is Raiser.

Problem is travel to the Waikato or North Harbour or anywhere more than an hours drive.

Postal FT competition perhaps. Forget the WFTA rules just fairness and fun and what does it matter The world will not stop turning because it was calm in Waikato and windy in Wellington. Maybe we could take wind speed and turbulence into account and get Davy, the spread sheet guy, to come up with a handicap system.

Haha Nova, I only have lunch because it's unlawful to not have a break. 

I think Davey knows about the facebook airgun thing.

 know was here,well am here now n will be staying to,Minty ask phil about getting the info from old

 forum,think he is toying with doing something about it as mentioned something last time i visited him

 about this,cant hurt to ask,you see more often than me.

 I have absolutly no interest in ft,seems to me like so many compeditive shooting sport i been involved in

 it got taken over by wealthy super compeditive eletist types n ruined it for average guy,same thing 

 happened with action pistol shooting ,claybird shooting etc.

 bassically gets so expensive just to remain compeditive at any level,so many just quit due to the bs it 

 turns into,been there done that several times,cant be bothered anymore.

 these days just into small game hunting pest shooting and building guns,no hassles this way eh!!

 Tis bloody shame the way this crap allways seems to inflict the compeditive shooting sports today

 so its no wonder many give  it a try then quit.

 Cheers Mike

 on my neighbours hatsan springer while ago n found i could shoot it quite well,so you may be rite on that

 one,long way from here to any club tho.

 these days am quite happy swinging on my lathe n mill building guns n stuff eh,am lucky where i live can

 just lean on back fence  n let lose with whatever i want n no one cares eh,no close neighbours n those do have are all shooters too so one cares bout the noise.

 After building firearms for 40 years really want get rite into building pcp airguns that i design myself

 except for action pistol shooting never found a shooting sport that appealed to me,allways been bit a 

 loner eh.

 Cheers Mike

 was commercial bullet maker and built quite few fully worked 1911s specifically for action shooting as well

 that was back in the dayswen no licence required for lots pistols,allmost new slr rifles could be bought

 from our own government without restriction too,80 rd drum mags were common on our aks,hell we could n did import just bout any thing that wasnt nucleur including semi auto cannons,SIGH!!!!bloody best days

for gun nuts there ever been in nz.

 These days cant be bothered with all the crap that now goes with holding a B cat licence,so now into pcp

 pitols n hunting with them,below the radar as far pistols go in nz today n thats how i like these days.

 Action pistol shooting with real guns in 45 cal not the bloody wimpy loaded down smaller cals they use

 today was a mans sport,today any limp wristed wimp can compete if can afford the the fancy gear thats

 now fashionable in the wot used to be the in my opinion the best shooting sport ever invented for pistols

 FT heading same way at top level i think,unfortunatly money talks today in compeditive shooting.

 Airguns used to be the last of the good shooting sports n activitys,but thats changing too,am sure like

 most the firearms owned in nz today most airguns never leave the gun cabinet and most shooters have

 absolutly no interest in joining gun clubs today,kiwis have never been gun club joiners in larger numbers

 and never will unless belonging to a club becomes the only way to own n shoot guns eh!! as it become 

 in Aussie n most of Europe etc where club memberships are very high.

 I dont believe airgun clubs will grow much more than they are today,simply due to lack of need and 

 interest by airgun owners.

 I read that this forum owner was considering shutting it down due to lack of interest earlier this year

 simply due to lack of interest,that would be hellva shame,i am as guilty as others for not getting 

 involved earier on,but will fix that now,am happy to contribute to cost of keeping forum up n running

 and do regret not joining up earlier and will try be an active member evan if just talking sh*t eh!!

 I live quite some distance from nearest town,nobody round here has any interest in airguns,let alone

 any interest in some old fool building airguns in his back shed eh!!Because i am isolated from other 

 airgun shooters builders etc,forums are where i have contact with others with same interest i have

 Forums are where i got the information to learn how to build pcp ans co2 airguns,the only guy i have

 met who builds airguns is Phil[Wingman] and hes helped me a lot,tho am still very much a novice at

 at building airguns,i am learning slowly,been a machinist for most my adult life,repairing modifying and

 at times building firearms,but my understanding on valves etc is very bassic,this is wot really need to

 learn and its been a slow often frustrating experience doing it on my own.

 So i am going to become a very active member of this forum from now on,please be patient if at times

 i post dumb questions on some things,i just want learn eh!!

 I have been round guns long time n have learnt few things that may be of help to others if they 

 interested so feel free to ask me dumb questions back .

 Cheers Mike