Laminate stock Series II
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Topic: Laminate stock Series II
Posted By: Pauly5
Subject: Laminate stock Series II
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 10:24pm
My Pink Mist blank arrived Friday so started on it over the weekend. Drew some lines on it then set it up to inlay with the router. Nothing fancy, but effective. Note Holden well away from dust source.  All done, then tried the action for fit, pretty good, now I can drill holes and start shaping.  Now the fun starts. Shaping. I didn't approach this aggressively so still have to take quite a bit off but at least I know the direction i'm going in. The good thing is that my hand sits in it totally relaxed and I don't feel any pressure points so I reckon that's a good thing.  |
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Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 10:31pm
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Nice! look forward to seeing this one finished :) |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 10:58pm
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Yep , looking like good progress there Paul , especially glad to see you moved the holden outta the way, routers and Laminate make a lot of mess. Make sure your thumb up slot has some depth to it, might feel sweet now, but once the finish goes on it'll feel better with a bit more depth , and stop your thumb moving around. Get some drum sander attatchments for your drill, and some sanding flap wheels as well, you'll be surprised how easy they make things:) http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/brettnixon/media/8FBC8F7A-9192-4D50-AC8D-D9B81B83CE4D_zps12me3pcx.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 11:12pm
Yea I was having a good look at yours and could see I needed to take more off. Will get some drum sanding attachment tomorrow.  ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2014 at 6:13pm
Ok more sanding and fitting. Feeling really good. ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2014 at 9:03pm
 Another view. Not too sure about what to do along the stock as it's a bit plain, and flat, but that's just cosmetic. ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2014 at 10:19pm
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try doing a rollover comb to give the rear extra character, and in the front follow the trigger hole line to put a fade out groove into the front ? maybe add the same into the rear of the hamster area to? look at your original stocks fore end, the underside is (if its like the TX) well rounded, doing this will add extra laminate lines into the bottom of the fore end - just make sure its the same both sides :) http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/brettnixon/media/20140618_173015_zps9d062ff0.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2014 at 11:06pm
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Also the top of the cheekrest/comb, compare it to your original stock to see the angle to take it up at, and the width to finish at. gives a more "factory" finish if its a bit "sharper" ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2014 at 8:48am
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Did a bit more sanding yesterday. Added more detail. Just went for it with the power tools. I still have work to do on the butt. Thought I would pop into home for lunch yesterday but ended up getting into this and left looking all dusty. That's ok as everyone thought I was really busy at work. "Flat out mate".   
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Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2014 at 9:02am
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looking real good mate |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2014 at 9:06am
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Two thumbs up :) That's gonna be pretty special to look at once it's got a finish applied :) ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2014 at 5:24pm
I spent a couple of hours fitting the action and drilling holes. I haven't drilled the stock screw holes in the photo yet but they're done. I fired a couple of shots and the stock absorbs more recoil which is good. I also fitted my revolutionary butt hook. It's a totally different feeling gun, can't wait to actually use it. The cheek rest is about right as it is but actually need to lower it a bit so I don't think I will make it adjustable yet as I may not need to.  ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2014 at 6:18pm
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Have you decided on what finish you're going to apply to it? If you're going to stain it don't use an NGR type stain, as it will hide the laminate lines. Also, try your finish on a bit of scrap first if you can, gives you the option of using an oil, but feeding colour into the oil first :) ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2014 at 6:33pm
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Not really. I had tested a bit of Tru oil on an off cut and liked that. I like the idea of using an oil I can wet sand with as it gives that baby bum smoothness with out too much gloss. I had used tru oil on an oak stock once and really liked that, plus I have some left over. So I don't really want to stain it anymore than slightly darken the layers for the contrast. ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2014 at 9:22pm
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Oil on laminate will definitely give you contrast :) Ooooo it's getting close now :) ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2014 at 7:44pm
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I put a few shots through it today and it hit the same spot but poi was higher. I plan to bed the action. Just wondering if I will need to re zero once settled into this stock. I guess fire it heaps and keep screws tight so the stock settles in. Should I epoxy around the bolt holes to strengthen them? ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2014 at 8:09pm
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Can't hurt, I've found star washers work quite well. POI shift could be bolts done up tighter than before, or slightly off center and pulling the action differently. As long as they're all hitting the same spot tho, not spraying a shotgun pattern of lead everywhere , then once re zeroed it should be game on as normal ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2014 at 9:34pm
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Good. It's a bit heavier but position wise seems really good. I will need a hook as it's heavier up front. ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 10:22pm
I put a couple of coats of tru oil on it now. Sanding between coats with fine grit. It makes the layers stand out nicely. It has a warmth to it. It's not perfect but really pleased with it. I can't wait to get it all finished and use it more.  ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 10:34pm
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I got quite happy with the finish when I got to 8coats on mine , and 600grit wet n dry paper. Almost looked lacquered :) Looking nice pauly5, can't wait to see it in the line :) ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 10:47pm
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Did you sand it with the finish oil or did you use water? I tried a bit of the oil and it dried up while sanding. I haven't done a wet and dry sand yet. How say you?
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Posted By: Davey
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 8:11am
| Looks purty. Can't wait to see it in action! |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 8:19am
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I oiled and let it dry overnight, sand and repeat etc ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Davey
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 8:59am
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The only thing about these stock blanks, is I feel they all shoulder too low on the rifle for the seated position. When your shoulder is in line with the bore you get the least recoil.
I guess you can just move the buttplates up.
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Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 9:50am
Davey, there are some pretty advanced butt plates being produced here in NZ. Newer, choicer technical advancements being internalised daily by some of the countries greatest tutu minds.  ------------- |
Posted By: Davey
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 11:18am
| It's not the buttplates, it's the mounting point on the stock :) |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 11:22am
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Worth thinking about. ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 10:00pm
I decided to have a dress rehearsal tonight. I fitted my adapted butt plate and fired a few shots. I'm really pleased with my position. Shooting actual targets will tell.  ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 10:23pm
One more shot just for you Brett. ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 11:25pm
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Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2014 at 11:29pm
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Nice , looks like yours will hit the ft courses first :) Mines coated, and will be refitted in the next week and a half , it's twin is undergoing inlet sanding to get that perfect fit :) ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2014 at 8:17am
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Like your tactical like. ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2014 at 10:00pm
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I bedded the stock this week and tweaked a couple of bits. Today I got to shoot in a warehouse to check the zero. It was firing 32 clicks high at 25m. After adjusting the turret I was relieved to be bang on for everything else, regularly dropping my target at 38m. Inside with no wind though. Very satisfying. ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2014 at 7:55am
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Regardless of the stock, your action and scope relationship didn't change, no matter how the poi appears to move initially, if you "zero" it at that range and reset your turret to read the right number, all should be back to normal from there. How's it "feel" to shoot it tho? More comfortable and natural body position ? ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2014 at 9:01am
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Yea the position is really good, I feel more relaxed. It's a heavy beast now but that's ok, it sits nicely. Even though it's heavy, it's much better standing and kneeling due to the better shape. It's an enjoyable thing making a stock, very satisfying. Will be good to check yours out next chance. ------------- |
Posted By: (pink)MIST
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2014 at 11:47am
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Got mine in hand now, and quite pleased , hoping assembly will happen today, but in light of yesterday's events I'm not holding my breath..... ------------- NZAFTA President 1st place HP springer - 2014 WFTF Worlds 1st place HP springer - 2014 Nats AA TX200 MK111, Optisan Viper 8-32x60 JSB. VMach, TbT, maestro design. |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2024 at 8:10pm
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Interesting thread Pauly, and a ice looking stock, well done 👍🏻 ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2024 at 8:20pm
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Interesting thread Pauly, and a nice looking stock, well done 👍🏻 ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2024 at 9:04pm
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Lol, Nearly 10 years since the last post. |