Weirauch HW80K vintage???
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Topic: Weirauch HW80K vintage???
Posted By: JasonEdward
Subject: Weirauch HW80K vintage???
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2024 at 11:10am
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Hoping you experts can help me avoid a lot of googling...I have a HW80 that looks well worn and possibly quite old - it has the rounded front fore-stock and came with both .177 and .22 barrels and lot's of damaged screw heads. Am I right that the rounded fore-stock means it's maybe not so old? Ron Young serviced it and says it's all good and it shoots straighter than anything I have had my hands on - but was grouping like a pack of 60s school girls going to see The Beatles. Absolutely rubbish results until I let the fore-stock go after over 50 years of shooting as me old Dad taught - with a firm grip on the fore-stock... Anyway my main question is - Is there any way I can tell how old it is? I'm looking to tidy it up, re-blue, maybe re varnish, likely sourcing some bloody expensive bolts etc - is there a better way than getting bits from the UK? Thanks in advance to you experts... |
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Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2024 at 5:42pm
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Its a bit hard to tell how old something is without seeing it first. A photo would be handy. ------------- 2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014 |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2024 at 11:30pm
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Is there a serial number? That is the best way to tell the age. What are the screws you're after? Are they the stock screws?
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Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 1:29pm
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Sorry, that was dumb of me
not to either post a photo and check for Serial No. ------------- |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 5:00pm
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Just above the "typing box" where you type comments/replies/questions etc, there are a few icons, one looks like two white squares laid over one another, with a black arrow pointing up at 45deg. Click on that and it will open up another window with another text box and the same text you have just been typing. Now above this text box you will see two squares with a picture of a tree in each, click on the right side one, with the little blue arrow over it, and it will open an up load window. ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 6:24pm
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Or just click on the "post Reply" button at the bottom left of the page or at the top left right under the topic title. Then click on the tree icon ------------- 2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014 |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 7:10pm
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Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 7:36pm
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The serial number is normally located on the flat part of the barrel where the pin attaches it to the compression chamber. But since that comes with two barrels there is a good change its not there. or if it is, both barrels should have the same numbers on. Or directly above the trigger on the compression tube. ------------- 2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014 |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2024 at 9:02pm
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I love older guns like this. Maybe serial number is on the action. Might need to take stock off to find it.
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Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 12:51pm
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I found it. Underside of barrel just in front of the forestock... I blame my old eyes and the fact that while this rifle shoots great, it is in urgent need of some cosmetic TLC, especially the barrel. Nothing on the .177 extra barrel so I guess it was bought as an extra but it does have the same markings apart from being 4.5... Serial No. : 949466  ------------- |
Posted By: J-S
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 3:05pm
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there was a database where you entered the serial number but when i load it the page is black. A handy tool so hopefully its not a dead site... http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/dywp.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/dywp.php ------------- https://www.instagram.com/js_airguns/" rel="nofollow - J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many.. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 6:01pm
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HOct 29 '11#1 saw this on another forum and can't vouch for its authenticity First HW rifle produced: 1951 5100 Manufactured 1955 5138 Manufactured 1955 31151 Manufactured 1955 44485 Manufactured 1956 51322 Manufactured 1956 58446 Manufactured 1957 72243 manufactured 1959 76244 Manufactured 1960 120662 Manufactured 1962 142447 Manufactured 1964 149423 Manufactured 1965 195863 Manufactured 1965 200000 manufactured 1966 241065 Manufactured 1966 395231 Manufactured 1968 296000 Manufactured 1969 309345 Manufactured 1969 322960 Manufactured 1969 332966 Manufactured 1969 333015 Manufactured 1969 333219 Manufactured 1970 346900 Manufactured 1970 357053 Manufactured 1970 373816 Manufactured 1970 375788 Manufactured 1970 400000 Manufactured 1972 401391 Manufactured 1972 423452 Manufactured 1972 469655 Manufactured 1973 480574 Manufactured 1973 496842 Manufactured 1973 512990 Manufactured 1974 583245 Manufactured 1975 600000 Manufactured 1976 612502 Manufactured 1976 613000 Single sided safety introduced ? 623997 Manufactured 1976 624554 Manufactured 1976 670138 Manufactured 1977 671143 Manufactured 1977 702045 Manufactured 1979 741394 Manufactured 1979 755000 HW35 changes from 12mm to 9mm scope rail 778058 Manufactured 1980 785538 Manufactured 1980 800000 Manufactured 1980 843636 HW 35 changes from Leather to Nylon Piston seal and double sided safety. 890268 Manufactured 1980 902189 Manufactured 1981 902315 Manufactured 1981 926011 Manufactured 1983 1000000 manufactured 1983. 1000375 manufactured 1983 1001845 manufactured 1983 January 1984 MK 1 HW 77 released in UK 1003486 was delivered in 1984 1003582 was delivered in 1984 1003986 manufactured 1984 1007970 manufactured 1984 1011026 was delivered in 1984 1011108 was delivered in 1984 1016650 was delivered in 1985 1016823 manufactured 1985 1023310 manufactured 1985 October 1985 MK 2 HW77 released in UK 1032802 purchased new 1986 1036521 was delivered in 1987 1036528 was delivered in 1987 1041261 was delivered in 1987 1139541 was delivered in 1988 1139761 purchased new 1988 1178259 born 1989 1181401 was delivered in 1989 1181555 was delivered in 1989 1181588 was delivered in 1989 1182580 manufactured 1990 1183140 bought new in 1990 1186081 manufactured 1990 1188451 was delivered in 1990 1233526 Manufactured in 1991 1288125 was delivered in 1993 1288752 manufactured 1993 1289991 manufactured 1993 1302969 manufactured 1993 1364279 was delivered in 1994 1370364 produced in 1995 1446049 HW 77 switch from 25mm to 26mm cylinder 1459697 was delivered 1998 1538821 bought new in 2001 1551576 was delivered in 2001 1576934 was delivered in 2002 1616583 produced in 2004 1687223 was delivered in 2006 |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 9:45pm
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Thanks people, that makes it an 83, just before Weihrauch made their millionth product. No wonder it has seen better days. Best I tidy it up. ------------- |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 10:00pm
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Yes, both sides barrel hinge and both cocking lever screw heads munted, plus smaller trigger guard screw plus ones I likely munt trying to pull her to bits. But at least my set of pin punches arrived so theres a chance I won't munt each and every pin  . punches arrives so I might minimise the pin munting...------------- |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2024 at 10:02pm
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Nice trigger gaurd. |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2024 at 10:35am
Cheers Is that trigger guard not stock? It's obviously an early HW80K - Did they change the trigger guard on recent models?? I love the classic old rifle - I'm old but hardly classic! And I'm pretty sure that it's in better mechanical nick than me - first tutu with erratically operating Cheap Chinese Chrono gives it 223 m/sec with .95 g H&N FT Trophys or 17.45ft/ib so it seems reasonably sound and shoots straighter than anything I've air-blasted lead through. The chrono - it feels like it I get a muzzle velocity otherwise it just ignores the lead flying between it's sensors - I haven't had it long, used just twice in a week or so, and it may be it likes shade and dappled cloud and sun gives it brain freeze. Can someone tell me the best place to buy Weihrauch parts? Posts here seem to indicate you order from the UK so are there some good suppliers that will ship to Godzone NZ? And while I'm ordering and planning to have it in bits, I'm not TOO worried about spending coin as the rifle will likely end up with my son, so should I consider any new parts / mods to improve accuracy? I'm quite comfortable with action, twang, noise and recoil so no mods needed there unless they improve my groups. Not interested in more power but at some stage I'll experiment with that .177 barrel for longer range targets and may want to get serious about having fun trying for bulls at a local range so I'm thinking maybe the .177 barrel and heavy pellets will group better at 25 or more meters? Am I right in thinking flatter trajectory is better for serious target shooting? I know the rifle will never be a serious target beast but keen to play target shooting with it and the Diana 52. Ah, news on the Diana - it was a bargain at an auction, sight unseen, photo did not show the right side and bent cocking lever and not surprisingly, now I've broken it cocking the gun. I've emailed Ron for a new one, assume he's the best local source? Ron's prices seem very reasonable to me and I love having a yarn with him - people that share knowledge will get my money...am I better to order HW80 bolts etc through Ron as well....I'm regularly (reluctantly) in Auckland...Aucks is a great place except for the driving... ------------- |
kruzaroad wrote:Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2024 at 7:34pm
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There is no formula for tight groups, best will be to try both barrels with as many makes, weights and shapes of pellets as you can. Each barrel will have its own preference and eventually you'll find a pellet that each likes. Everything will look good at 10y. By 20y you'll start seeing the cheepies and the better quality ones, at 30y you'll separate the men from the boys, and at 40y you'll find "the One" for that rifle/barrel/calibre. Same with the D52. Post us some pics of your D52, or maybe start a thread under the "Reviews" section. ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2024 at 10:02am
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Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2024 at 10:15am
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The Goddess of the Hunt Mod 52. Doesn't look as though it's had much use - or been treated well apart from abuse the fool trying to fold up the lever without releasing the anti-amputation rachet. That turned an auction bargain into a OK buy but that's sight unseen auctions for ya. As an aside, I ended up with 3 very old hammer shotguns when I only wanted one - made two what i thought were silly low bids on two others and bingo, 2 more for total $120. Having said that, while I love those old hammer guns I think the Cops get angry if you display them which was my plan; a hammer gun over my Rei Hamon Huia print as it was guns exactly like these, along with wealthy dead bird collectors, that resulted in the extinction of the huias. Oh, and apparently they were damn tasty as well, which may have not have helped... I'm a bit of a fan of eating wild birds I guess from lots of game bird shooting with the Old Man and would love to do some swaps for some Californian quail or roosters. Would love to try a fat Kereru but not a good idea but I really enjoyed Weka in the Chathams where they are fair game in pest numbers. Weka taste a lot like Paradise Duck - Mmmmmmm. Frankly I'd also be keen on a few bunnies - the numbers you experts shoot mean a freezer full of back steaks and back legs would do me...many years ago when dinging the bonnets of MPI Patrol vehicles by Wellington bunny shooting sitting on the bonnet at night we ate a lot of rabbit and I really like it. My Nurse flatmates didn't like the idea of eating Watership Downs stars but once those legs were casseroled up with a slice of bacon around each one them they into them like a flock of seagulls out side Fish & Chip shop. ------------- |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2024 at 10:17am
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NB Pigeons aren't bad but Doves have so little meat and so little flavour I don't bother any more except they seem to be breeding up and displacing some native birds around here so i night have to start nailing the pests. Maybe my cat will eat them. ------------- |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2024 at 1:31pm
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Duck is good. Pigeon is not bad either, just a pity there is so little meat on the breasts for the amount of work you need to put in to get it. Whats your take on pukeos? I only tried it for the first time a few months ago, but I was really impressed with it and would happily eat it regularly if they were not protected with a closed season. Rabbit is good, and there is no shortage of rabbit around here. I could supply my family with an endless supply of fresh rabbit meat, but after my 12th experimental rabbit dish I was banned from bringing any more rabbit into the house...  Hare is flippen delicious! I came up with a Hare and Coke recipe in the slow cooker, served with some mash... excellent! We should ask Nunga to start a "Recipes" section where people can post their "Game and Pest Recipes" ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2024 at 10:50am
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I'd go duck sux (never liked it) pidgeon is delish, quail very white, clean meat, pheasant the top. Rabbit is ahh, hare really is a good meat. Pukeko in a crock pot for about 5 hours sorts the meat, I wouldn't drop it as a food source, but never use it as one. |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2024 at 10:57am
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A thread on eating our quarry and recipes etc sounds like a good idea. I've never shot Pukeko for the pot only culled a few. I was put off by the old joke that you cook Pooks with a Maori adze head and boil it for three days and three nights. And then eat the adze head. Maybe I should try them, but technically it takes a game bird licence and the 12 gauge I think. Are they still listed game birds? I've not shot a bird season for a few decades and the licence is getting pretty dear unless you're doing a lot of bird hunting - which requires a dog. Yeah I'll happily eat pigeons but the two Doves I nailed were so tiny under their feathers with a very skinny breast - you'd need 4 for a feed for one. And so tasteless I wouldn't bother again. I love rabbit and I'm sure people who don't know better would swear it was chicken. I usually cook smaller birds like me Mum cooked quail - skin and clean them and stuff them and wrap a rasher of bacon around each bird. Then cook them long and slow with lots of basting so they don't dry out. The butter rich moist stuffing helps too... I do the same with rabbit back legs. The tiny back steaks are good for stewing but you need a few of them. ------------- |
Posted By: Pauly5
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 10:20am
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A friend of mine tried Pukeko. And I watched a programe where they cooked it. Very gamey was what my mate said. You can get permits from Fish and game to shoot them if they are a pest. I've shot a few for clients. Even tried seeing if the local marae wanted the feathers, but struggled to find anyone. Personally I can't get my head around eating what i'm shooting. I've started skinning rabbits, and they go to dog food. Would love to try tanning a hide.
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Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 10:37am
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sh*t Pauly find a place that has owls an hawks, falcons, recovery. They might be into the meat. Even the zoo? |
Posted By: nunga
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 11:24am
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You have to be careful with that. A lot of places will not take dead carcasses if they have been shot due to lead been still there. I looked into that a couple of years ago with the place up the road and thats what they told me ------------- 2nd place HP springer - WFTF World Championships 2014 |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 12:41pm
| Head shot only? |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 2:06pm
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Pauly... rabbit is home grown, free range, antibiotic free, just about as healthy as you can get. Same with hare and possum. Ive been skinning and dissecting a lot of rabbits for this sub 16 comparison video, its a lot of work, especially caping the heads to see what the head shots do. PS: dogs eat rabbit skin, and fur they've been doing it for as long as they've been eating rabbits, which is about the last 10 million years!------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: JasonEdward
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 7:28pm
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Pauly, you don't know what you're missing mate...love those bunnies. Man this lead poisoning business is getting PC and out of control I reckon. I must have eaten a lot of no. 8 Quail shot in my time, let alone the no. 5 duck and pheasant shot. Maybe I should be dead...I can understand keeping it out of waterways because it will stay there but the odd bit of shot or pellet never killed anyone. I think.  Surely all the lead on roofs keeping rain out that went straight into the house water tank back in the day didn't kill anyone?------------- |
Posted By: Billbobnz
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2024 at 2:11pm
| I read once that it's very likely you will get Leander poisoning from air rifles pellets due to the additives they use to make the lead harder for use in air rifles and other projectiles. The lead they use in roofs and lead windows are a purer form of lead and therefore softer and breaks down faster if digested. |
Posted By: kruzaroad
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2024 at 2:50pm
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I'd just with don't eat metal. It's not good for you. Sure the odd shot passes through quickly |
Posted By: RangerPete
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2024 at 4:05pm
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Billbob, I’m not so sure about that story. The additives in pellets are usually very small amounts of tin and or antimony. If I had to choose I’d probably take Tin over lead, but I guess neither is the best option. One advantage of an air rifle over a shotgun is one largish pellet vs many small or even tiny shots. Much easier to find and pick out, or spit out 😂 I’ve spoken to a vet about this with regards to dogs or cats ingesting a pellet in a carcass, and the vet reccons: 1- the pellet will pass through the animal and come out with the poo in a few hours, so not a problem. 2- if it’s only one or two pellets once in a while, no problem, if it’s multiple a day, every day that might lead to problems. The reason they have banned lead shot from water fowl hunting is quite different, and once you understand how a birds digestive tract works you can understand why lead has been banned. Birds don’t have teeth to chew and break down food like we do. They swallow food whole. It can be stored temperariy in a crop, and/or then moves to the gizzard where muscular action grinds it down. Birds often swallow small stones which stay in the gizzard and assist with grinding the food before it passes further into the Intestines to get digested. The way Ducks and waterfowl feed is on aquatic vegetation and algae, if there is small lead shot on or in the vegetation the ducks will ingest it, it will then sit in the gizzard and help grind food, but will also slowly get ground down so the duck is ultimately eating /digesting tiny particles of ground up lead shot over a long term. As apposed to a dog who eats a rabbit with a pellet in it, swallowes one large chunk of lead pellet, and will poop it out 6 hours later. ------------- Walk quietly, but carry a big stick. |