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    Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 8:08pm
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I could not let it go, I tried all sorts of pellets but as wind increased I pulled back to 30 metres and fitted an AO scope, all power to the non AO users and techniques to avoid parallax issues.

Gamo G Magnum air rifle
Diana ZR mount
Tasco 3-9x40AO scope at magnification 9
Air Arms Diablo Field 16 grains 1.037 grammes 5.52mm
Distance 30 metres

20mm OD. POA was the bull. 


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Gamo G Magnum air rifle
Diana ZR mount
NS 3-9x40 scope at magnification 9
SigAir Dagger pellets 16.6 grain 1.07 gramme 5.52mm
Distance 50 metres

Breeze from right to left and appear to have over compensated.
Group opening out so not much point increasing distance.
May try with Tasco AO scope and different pellets before closing out this post.

47mm OD. POA was the right hand Number 6.
I believe the inconsistent height error is barrel jumping up.


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I have a Gamo Swarm Magnum G2 22cal. Great rifle. It got me started and I now have my FAL. My favorite pellet for this is the Baracuda Power copper coated 21gr.

It does take a bit of effort to cock so best to work out your preferred method. Also its quite a crack so I suggest earmuffs and a suitable scope.
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Gamo G Magnum air rifle
Diana ZR mount
NS 3-9x40 scope at magnification 7
SigAir Dagger pellets 16.6 grain 1.07 gramme 5.52mm
Distance 30 metres

Wind would not relent this evening but mostly from the front.
Not displeased for this beast, very hard not to flinch and eyes auto close with noise and recoil.
Stock hard against shoulder, and holding front down onto shooting bag so definite workout.
32mm OD, 3 shot group in the middle but could not pick hits when shooting so order of shots is unknown



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More pronounced arc would be about it.
Having a 177 after 22 I prefure the 22 for hunting. Mildot scope made all the difference.
I find the 177 taking a lot of getting use too. Don't find that the trajectory any easier to shoot with than a 22, once you have your hold over sorted.
177 moves way more in wind and I'm finding that's actually a bit of an issue as its more sensitive to small channels of wind blowing between gaps. Has lot more effect on pellet.
Also not that keen on impact, 177 seem to punch through more often which is not desirable, creates less shock. However accurate shot placement and I think the penitration ability of 177 out preforms 22. That's due to them not expanding much.
I'd say a good scope and actually dialing the windage and holdover would be advantageous over holding it over through scope. I use holdover and trying to hold the exact place somewhere else on the scope I think takes more time.
I've also found that an accurate 22 with moderate power works fine. I'd be looking at something that still has enough power at 60m (which is about the range that hares let me get to, in open paddock after shooting them for a while) but able to take a head shot out to 80m.
At those distances accuracy far out ways to much power.
Which is why its a shame my gamo didn't preform at those ranges, it was by far the easiest gun to tote around for hours on end on farm.
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Wind is a huge deal I have found with .177. At the UK powers I favoured .177 for its flat trajectory. In calm conditions that makes it very forgiving if I misjudged ranges on squirrels. As I was often shooting in woodland, I'd head for the more sheltered side (as would the squirrels) and still have great success.  But when I have used a comparable .22 (AA S410) it handled the wind better and was still a fantastic accurate tool for the job.  I think if I was shooting rabbits out on exposed pastures, I may have leaned more towards .22

I'm looking forward to using some more powerful .22 air rifles, to see how their trajectory compares to the .177's I'm used to.

I just bought a stand up crow target and a 5 spinner target (4 below and 1 reset) for $30 on fb marketplace, so looking forward to having some similar fun to the session you described.
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Earlier Times
During NZ lockdown I went out with grandson and got into some comparisons straight out of the gun locker.
We kept scope magnifications to the lower end to reduce any advantage from optics.

We set several targets with an average distance of 47 yards to represent a genuine shot for rabbits.
Targets included metal reseting bird, metal swing set, 5 inch target and 2 inch shoot N.C.
All shots observed easily using Stealth spotting scope providing immediate feedback to the shooters.
Very strong and changeable wind right to left and we could not seem to overcome it using .177 rifles.

Winner on the day Gamo replay -10 Magnum (29ft/ilbs muzzle energy)
Totally wasted in the backyard - standout at this range and these conditions

Biggest surprise of the day was the lower powered Gamo replay-10. (14ft/lbs)
We could both readily make scoring shots with this unit

1. Crosman Blaze .177 one piece mount with gamo 4x32
H&N FTT
Pellet still hitting with force but I was unable to make any scoring hits in the wind

2. Gamo .22 replay-10 gamo rings with stealth 4x40
Webley VMX
Immediately on target, able to repeat and make bullseye. (unexpected at this distance)
Had been recently zeroed at 15 and then 25 yards following scope swap
Grandson spent a lot of time with this one, effort = reward when using this rifle

3. Gamo .22 Replay-10 Magnum (2nd most powerful) one piece mount with packaged Gamo 4-9x40 set at magnification 4
H&N crow magnum (previously on hunter extreme)
Immediately on target for both of us
New pellet type designed for 30 metres and scope was previously set for 25 yards
Much smoother than when new - step above all others under these conditions - did not need windage consideration

4. My new Sig .177 ASP20 with dampa mount and Stealth 4-12x40 set at magnification 4
H&N baracuda 
Needed 1/2 turn windage adjustment but only 3 clicks of height adjustment which I thought was a good sign
Good power, with scoring shots but unable to obtain 1 inch group
Look forward to a still day and increasing the magnification
End of the day ran some lighter weight FTT sniper medium through and we had some excellent results

5. Gamo .22 Black Knight one piece mount with Gamo 3-9x40 AO set for 15-25 yards set at magnification 4
H&N FTT
No real success at this distance using mil-dot corrections and did not want to alter existing turret settings as all set for spotlighting.

6. Hatsan 135 .30 standard sights (supposedly most powerful break barrel manufactured)
Diablo 44 grain
Hit with a good smack, not on the target but cool all the same

A good session and a distance that needs mastering
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So what is use of magnium. If its over powered for the range its acurate at, not powerful enough to take larger game at close range.
That I think is the gamo issue, more power than needed for its accuracy range, but its what they push.
Its like one guy on the Web who pushes gamo. Shoots inch and a half groups plus at over 50m and goes on about it being pretty accurate, and happy with that size group at that range. You got to be kidding me, no target shooter would be happy with that, no one shooting animals at that range with a air rifle should be taking the chance of hitting the right spot with grouping that wide.
Not to say they don't make some good guns. Still think I'd go bsa if I had to go the gamo route these days.
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I too was suprised when you said was a 45 yard hunter, as that is around the max range I would should squirrels with my sub 12ft/lb .177.  I know some folks using range finders and better optics than me would take squirrels and rabbits out to about 60yards with sub 12 air rifles.  

I'd like a high powered air rifle for sure but I will probably save that for a pcp, I doubt I'd be any good with a high powered springer or would at least need a lot of practice!
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