pcp pistols

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   some one brought up the subject of the availablity of pcp pistols recently on another post,i am assuming they meant proberly 177/22/25 cal pcp hunting pistols,facts are the airgun industry has never produced a properly designed and built,practical pcp hunting pistol in any of these calibers,what they have produced are a collection of what are essentually just short carbine versions of a variaty of bolt/side lever actioned rifles minus buttstocks with some form of after thought as a pistol grip,essentually just a sawn off rifle.this proberly the most bassic,primitive way of producing a gun sort of resembling a pistol but not actually a pistol,let alone a practical pistol,facts are most these guns require some form of optical sights just to be evan usable,most are way under powered to their potentual,havins sacrificed better power and performance just to gain a higher shot count,most are unregulated so these higher shot counts produce a wide range of varying velocitys and fpe levels over that shot count as well,most need to be shot off a rest or bipod just to hold them up and steady enough to see thru their optical sights let alone be consistantly accurate enough to hit anything,many are so big /bulky and awkward to use they need be carried around in both hands like a rifle or carbine,none of these things make for anything remotely like a practical handgun or pistol,yet this is apparently the best the airgun industry has been able to come up with,whatever this type of pcp airgun maybe,a pistol isnt one those things,so the fact we can no longer import these things isnt any great lose in my opinion,my issuse with this type of pcp airgun is what they are and what they are made from,i have no issuses with bolt or side lever hunting type pcp pistols as such,but just the way the industry makes them and what they make them from.
its long been very obvious to me that the airgun industry dosnt have clue what a pistol actualy is and should be,but its very certainly not a sawn off buttless rifle.
 cheers mike

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dvlnme Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30 May 2017 Location: taranaki Status: Offline Posts: 519	Post Options Post Reply Quote dvlnme Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: pcp pistols Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 7:05am
	some one brought up the subject of the availablity of pcp pistols recently on another post,i am assuming they meant proberly 177/22/25 cal pcp hunting pistols,facts are the airgun industry has never produced a properly designed and built,practical pcp hunting pistol in any of these calibers,what they have produced are a collection of what are essentually just short carbine versions of a variaty of bolt/side lever actioned rifles minus buttstocks with some form of after thought as a pistol grip,essentually just a sawn off rifle. this proberly the most bassic,primitive way of producing a gun sort of resembling a pistol but not actually a pistol,let alone a practical pistol,facts are most these guns require some form of optical sights just to be evan usable,most are way under powered to their potentual,havins sacrificed better power and performance just to gain a higher shot count,most are unregulated so these higher shot counts produce a wide range of varying velocitys and fpe levels over that shot count as well,most need to be shot off a rest or bipod just to hold them up and steady enough to see thru their optical sights let alone be consistantly accurate enough to hit anything,many are so big /bulky and awkward to use they need be carried around in both hands like a rifle or carbine,none of these things make for anything remotely like a practical handgun or pistol,yet this is apparently the best the airgun industry has been able to come up with,whatever this type of pcp airgun maybe,a pistol isnt one those things,so the fact we can no longer import these things isnt any great lose in my opinion,my issuse with this type of pcp airgun is what they are and what they are made from,i have no issuses with bolt or side lever hunting type pcp pistols as such,but just the way the industry makes them and what they make them from. its long been very obvious to me that the airgun industry dosnt have clue what a pistol actualy is and should be,but its very certainly not a sawn off buttless rifle. cheers mike

nunga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 08 Mar 2013 Location: Pukekohe Status: Offline Posts: 1009	Post Options Post Reply Quote nunga Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 8:31pm
	I have a bit of .25 barrel left over from my hatsan conversion i did a few years back. I have always wanted to buld a PCP pistol with that barrel. now that i have got most of my equipment out of storage i am really looking forward to starting this project.
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Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 11:53pm
	I can understand that reasoning. That would be a good project Nunga.

dvlnme Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30 May 2017 Location: taranaki Status: Offline Posts: 519	Post Options Post Reply Quote dvlnme Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 8:14am
	i amit my opinion of todays smaller caliber pcp hunting pistols as produced by the airgun industry is rather blunt and true asessment of what these guns really are and they certainly are not well thought out and designed practical handguns or pistols,in fact evan calling most of them pistols,totally misrepresents what they really are,wgich is just sawn off rifles,minus buttstocks.my issuse with todays so called pcp pistols,has nothing to do with them being bolt or side lever guns,its all about how they make these guns and what they make them from,rifles and pistols are two completely different concepts,rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and everything about a rifle is designed and built with this in mind,size weight etc are not a big issuse with a rifle,most rifles today are designed and intened to be used with some form of optical sight and their breechs etc designed to suit that type of sight,mags suitable for pcp rifles often protrude out the top of breechs,making fitting open sights impractical,so rifle breechs are not usually suitable for a pistol,they are allso usually larger than desirable for a more compact pistol,to me the whole point of a pistol is for it to be as compact, lightweight,easy to carry as possible,preferrably in some form of practical holster,on ones person,out of the way,but available when needed,if any gun dosnt meet these simple requirments,its not a practical pistol.i have no use for any so called pistol that i need to carry around in my hands like a rifle,as defeats the whole purpose of having a pistol eh!!as some will know i have spent a considerable amount of time developing my pcp revolver,to meet exactly these specifications,which was the whole point of the project,some may remember my other 22 cal pcp single shot pistol,which i sold a while back,this pistol too was designed and built to these same specifications,those who knew Phill(Wingman,will be aware of the pistols he built all of which meet the same bassic specs as mine did in that they were compact guns,designed and built as practical pistols,its long been apparent to me that what defines a pistol to the airgun industry,is any gun without a buttstock with some form of pistol grip fitted in the buttstocks place,size and weight etc dont matter,neither do things like open sights which are very handy on a pistol,i have no issuses with some optical sights on pistols,but they are secondry sights to me,not essentual as they are on most factory produced pistols today which are unuasable without optics.crosman calls the P rod a pistol carbine,but thats not what it is,its just a carbine with a detachable buttstock,which dosnt make it a pistol,just coz buttstock is removed,its just then a carbine without its buttstock eh!!and there are many others very simialler,seems like every time some new rifle comes out,very shortly after another sawn off buttless version comes out marketed as a pistol,i rest my case . because we can no longer import pcp hunting pistols in nz seems to me its a good time for us kiwis to develope our own far better pcp hunting pistols our selves ,there are enuf of us around very capable of doing this particually if we we all calaberate on designing such pistols,more brains better than one eh!!facts are these days its the only way now we can get pcp hunting pistols anyway. cheers mike