Ballistics apps and wedges

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    Righto all you scope savy ppl heres a couple of questions that im uncertain about and going to look for answers here first.
A: Scope wedges add angle, does this mean that the apps need that info to adjust or does scope height cover that?
 Being that the front of the scope is now a hair lower.

Being that chair gun doesn't have that angle to add, if adjustment for wedges is needed would setting the app as per usual, then using the angle the wedges are set too, put that number of degrees in the angle of up or down shot box, to get the correct compensation for a  level shot?

 I've got lots of pellets over three brands, all together but are running critically low each brand hw actually likes.
 Don't want to waste pellets with actual shot data till fine tuning.
 Have to get dial info on all three pellets again, plus for a thousand of a differnt brand sorted and stored for emergency.
  Lots to get back on line, and it all starts with the scope.

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kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Online Posts: 2547	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Ballistics apps and wedges Posted: 3 hours 16 minutes ago at 8:44am
	Righto all you scope savy ppl heres a couple of questions that im uncertain about and going to look for answers here first. A: Scope wedges add angle, does this mean that the apps need that info to adjust or does scope height cover that? Being that the front of the scope is now a hair lower. Being that chair gun doesn't have that angle to add, if adjustment for wedges is needed would setting the app as per usual, then using the angle the wedges are set too, put that number of degrees in the angle of up or down shot box, to get the correct compensation for a level shot? I've got lots of pellets over three brands, all together but are running critically low each brand hw actually likes. Don't want to waste pellets with actual shot data till fine tuning. Have to get dial info on all three pellets again, plus for a thousand of a differnt brand sorted and stored for emergency. Lots to get back on line, and it all starts with the scope.

mercs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 Apr 2020 Location: Stratford Status: Offline Posts: 322	Post Options Post Reply Quote mercs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 8 minutes ago at 9:52am
	Hi Kruza, quick look at three on-line ballistics calculators and only the scope height was required. Shims: I only use the Hawke 25MOA inserts and they are tapered as a matching set, references seem to indicate height at the reticle will alter with distance between mounts. Standard distance of 3.5 inches is used. The examples show the MOA altering from 24.06 MOA at 3.5 inches to 16.85 MOA at 5 inches which would be 7 MOA x 4 = 28 clicks on most scopes. Seven inches at 100 yards which surprised me. FROM Google AI Search Hawke 25 MOA scope shims calculation A Hawke 25 MOA scope shim adds a fixed 25 MOA of elevation and does not require complex calculations for its intended purpose . The shim simply tilts the scope downward, which moves the center of the reticle to the upper end of its internal elevation adjustment. This provides more "up" elevation for long-range shooting. For standard Hawke Match Mounts with a 90mm (3.5 inch) spacing, the 25 MOA shim is designed to work correctly right out of the package. However, the actual change in MOA will vary slightly based on the distance between your scope rings How to calculate shim effect based on ring spacing You can calculate the exact effect of a shim if your rings are not set at the standard 90mm spacing. The basic principle is using geometry to determine how a small change in height over a horizontal distance translates to a change in angle (MOA). The formula for MOA is based on the relationship that 1 MOA equals approximately 1.047 inches at 100 yards. The formula can be simplified for calculating shim thickness: Thickness needed for 1 MOA = (Distance between rings in inches) / 3600. Since a Hawke shim kit provides a fixed thickness for 25 MOA, you can use a rearranged version of this formula to determine the precise MOA added for your specific ring spacing: Total MOA added = (Shim thickness in inches / Distance between rings in inches) x 3438 Note: The number 3438 is the constant for converting radians to MOA. Example calculation Let's assume the Hawke 25 MOA shim has a thickness of approximately 0.0245 inches, which corresponds to 25 MOA at the standard 90mm (3.54-inch) ring spacing. If your rings are spaced 5 inches apart: Total MOA = (0.0245 / 5) x 3438 Total MOA = 0.0049 x 3438 Total MOA = 16.85 MOA If your rings are spaced 3.5 inches apart (close to the standard 90mm):Total MOA = (0.0245 / 3.5) x 3438 Total MOA = 0.007 x 3438 Total MOA = 24.06 MOA Edited by mercs - 1 hour 51 minutes ago at 10:09am

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Online Posts: 2547	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 minutes ago at 11:18am
	Sweet mercs. Good info indeed. I never even knew that you could use the measurement between the two rings. I'll have muck around with the info see what i come up with with maths while the wind persists. Cheers