Lobbying for change

Yeah that law is 55 years old.
Things have changed a lot in that time.
Espially the power output of springer units.
Hell it's 1 year younger than I am, and the air rifles I played with growing up don't even compare for power.
Hmmm except a double spring Chinese gun that was made for training troops in kick back. Actual gun was made shoody but it certainly had power.

Kruza, I dont buy that story about 12FPE limit being imposed on UK residents to limit imports because local made ones could only produce 10FPE... Nonsence. (I know its not your theory, just saying I dont buy it).
Some of the best air rifle manufacturers in the world are based in the UK and have been making air rifles for decades.
BSA made millions of fire arms that fought through (and won) both world wars, you dont think they could produce an air rifle stronger then 10FPE???


A 100% more likely origin of the 12FPE law was to limit air rifle power for "the safety of the general population" but to still allow the ethical hunting of small game.
And having had extensive use of 12FPE air rifles for many many years there is no argument that they are perfectly sufficient for the hunting of small game.

Edited by RangerPete - 13 Jul 2024 at 1:31pm

Oh it's believed the 12fpe law came, Englands air guns weren't able to compete with the foreign companies, espially in power so put a 12fpe limit on, affecting how many imports could get to market.
At that stage English air rifles were about 10fpe, so 12 gave them a bit of play room.
There is another theory that it was picked on ability for small game verses ability to harm people aswell

My 0.02c ...  I'm not sure where 12 ft/lb comes from (apart from the UK), we wouldn't need to follow that - especially as we have a more legitimate reason for needing higher fpe for pest control.

Yeah I just go by 5fpe at target min, with head shot. Bump that up for a possum. Bump that up for body shot at distance.
Check out the fpe over distance graph, in gun chair and move to suit or don't shoot.
Saves a lot math.

Edited by KiwiTR6 - 09 Jul 2024 at 3:22pm

kruzaroad wrote: Lmao isn't it usually ppl go to pcp cause they don't like springers? Not visa versa. I don't think he's sujesting that all pcps are limited to 12fpe, but like England you don't need a fal for anything under 12fpe. Fal for anything over 12fpe. So it won't affect your guns if you have mag loading multiple shot, high power pcp. I think the under 12 fpe without a fal in pcp would open up the sport of pcp shooting to many and pest control. They are the upgrade from springers for hunting for many. People have the right to control pests. Poms have proved 12fpe is enough for rabbits out to 100m. Still wouldn't like my single shot, that have to recock every shot springer to lose it's extra few fpe over 12fpe, but if it opens up the amount of pest critters shot due people being able to access easy to shoot accurate low powered guns, I'm for it. Killing things isn't a sport. We have a problem with pest critters. Any shooter taking pest numbers down is better than nothing. Target shooting is a sport. Under 12 fpe will open that sport up. Bring in new blood and give people a chance to explore the sport before deciding if they want to spend all that money on a fal before being able to purchase a pcp to participate.

Lmao isn't it usually ppl go to pcp cause they don't like springers? Not visa versa.
I don't think he's sujesting that all pcps are limited to 12fpe, but like England you don't need a fal for anything under 12fpe. Fal for anything over 12fpe. So it won't affect your guns if you have mag loading multiple shot, high power pcp.
I think the under 12 fpe without a fal in pcp would open up the sport of pcp shooting to many and pest control.
They are the upgrade from springers for hunting for many.
People have the right to control pests.
Poms have proved 12fpe is enough for rabbits out to 100m.
Still wouldn't like my single shot, that have to recock every shot springer to lose it's extra few fpe over 12fpe, but if it opens up the amount of pest critters shot due people being able to access easy to shoot accurate low powered guns, I'm for it.
Killing things isn't a sport.
We have a problem with pest critters.
Any shooter taking pest numbers down is better than nothing.

Target shooting is a sport.
Under 12 fpe will open that sport up. Bring in new blood and give people a chance to explore the sport before deciding if they want to spend all that money on a fal before being able to purchase a pcp to participate.