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Preset your shooting spots around the barn and get cover in place way before you start shooting. Let them get use to it.
I shot way more starlings here than I ever got on the farm, simply because on the farm I just started shooting in plan sight. They picked up pretty quick what a gun was. Here it's taken them a while mostly because I've always shot from the bathroom.(I have both windows covered off and a drop sheet down one side of window because they set sentries on a tree that could look in from above on that side which I had to stick me head out the window to see. When nesting season comes if you lay off them let them nest and lay, you'll get better results as they have to come back to chick's.
On farm I started in nesting season by fluke, as soon as nesting season was over they split to other trees on the farm. Set up a couple of hides or cover on the opposite side of where your shooting for later on when they get onto you. They will get smart and start coming in from behind cover thats blocking your view. They can get into and out of thier crevice nest at a surprising rate. Way faster than you could aim and shoot.
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Originally posted by Elliot87 Elliot87 wrote:

FPM, appreciate the recommendation but I am in the process of buying a break barrel from Paul


I have not used a CO2 before but have looked at the numbers. So I would be interested to hear how you go.
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Good advice Kruz, I've been ready your posts about shooting the starlings and mynas and how challenging it could be.  I used to have similar challenges shooting jackdaws back home. They nested down the chimney and took nestling birds etc. I could walk around the garden all day and they'd sit on top of the chimneys, no sign of them flying off but the first sign of me holding an air rifle and they were off. It got to the point that as soon as they saw me going into the house they'd fly off. In the end I had best results shooting them from a bedroom window, curtains drawn as they fed on the bird feeders.

Not sure how I will get on here as there aren't that many obvious ambush spots but I'm sure I'll get a few initially.
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As for getting a CO2 rifle for the job, I'm torn about what to go for. A 2250 plus modifications or a air chief rapid repeater.
Ron Young has got back to me with prices for various parts.

Steel breech $58
Probe and handle $22
24" barrel $55
2250B $289
Shipping $25

He has the rifle in stock but would have to order in the other parts.  Not sure I would get the 24" as I'd rather have 18" or stick with 14".  So shipped 2250 with steel breech, probe and handle is $394.
It will take time I'm sure to get everything delivered and put together.  Not to mention I would want to order a silencer and silencer adapter at extra cost and time.

On the other hand I could pop to gun city tomorrow and buy a air chief rapid repeater with silencer for $399.  My head says that is what I should do but I just like the idea of the 2250 more.

Is a stock 2250 likely to be less accurate and less powerful than the air chief I wonder?
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Green shade cloth if you have any. It has to be dark inside so you don't silhouette. I had a lot success with that with just propped up against the fence like a pile. I'd get into it with a single layer where I could see through it, double everywhere else and done in such a way I could push the barrel through where the single and double layers met.one place in it I had a hole in the mesh and put a flap over it.
It they are close you can leave the scope behind the mesh where barrel is poking out. Further away in the branches gets bit to difficult to distinguish them. Scope will be your biggest give away in the end. So less they see it the better. Its why I have camo cloth over mine. But at the end of the day that big lens looking strait at them is pretty noticeable.
However for some reason they have hard time seeing through the shade cloth. Mind you I'd usually have a camo shirt, hat, and fingerless gloves on. But they never picked up on the scope when it was behind the mesh. They occasionally did when I was pushing the scope past the netting.
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Page 14 of "you got to be out there to see" there's a pic of the two hides I was using. One on left tent fly and branches. Had to put a bit of weed cloth up to stop silhouette. As you can see the it's still pretty easy to see in. The starlings could sit up the trees and look in. They also would fly past and look in. One on right shade cloth. That's fully closed you can see the difference.
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I'd skip the 24inch barrel, just turns it into a rifle. Also more weight out past balance point. Can't help you with which one to choose, I haven't used a CR600. If you want to mod your gun at any stage 22xx will have a heap more mods available. Billbob has owned both, he can prob give pros and cons if he reads the post any time soon.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I'd skip the 24inch barrel, just turns it into a rifle. Also more weight out past balance point. Can't help you with which one to choose, I haven't used a CR600. If you want to mod your gun at any stage 22xx will have a heap more mods available. Billbob has owned both, he can prob give pros and cons if he reads the post any time soon.

Yeah 24" is too long, I'd probably end up cutting it down to 18" and that is extra hassle. Think I'll just read/watch some more reviews for both and see how I feel after that.
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I'm just measured mine and it looks like it's about 14inch. I thought I'd gone for 16 or 18. Anyway at 14inch (it's a 22xx barrel) I finding it way accurate to the distance in shooting.
Give me 5 and ill line it and my two rifles against the wall take a pic so you can compare sizes.
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Butt's are level with board edge, though doesn't look like it.
Same size as 362
Moderator adds 5 1/4 inches approx past where barrel ends in side.

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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Butt's are level with board edge, though doesn't look like it.
Same size as 362
Moderator adds 5 1/4 inches approx past where barrel ends in side.

Thanks for the comparison. What is the top rifle?

As you say, same size as the 362 but the 362 doesn't have the advantage of the silencer.  Are you using one of the over barrel silencer adapters and would you be able to fit a silencer in the same way to the 362?

Its a shame the 362 also come with a plastic breech, am I right in saying the metal breech for the 2250 is the same as the 1322 one and would also fit fit the 362?
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I've just seen this post by dvlnme (Mike) on another thread.

"good have you back,these are good candidate for adding a small screw in bulk fill conversion unit to,as you notice 12gram co2 disposables and pellets pretty much cost same as 22lr ammo which makes shooting co2 guns on disposables a little expensive these days,cheap source bulk co2 is out of date 5kg co2 fire extingishers,bulk fill stations that can be adapted to extingishers are cheap and available on trade me,you may remember from old nz forum i mentioned this set up some years ago,this is how i fill my co2 guns.
 easy enuf to make screw in bulk co2 tube extensions for guns like the air chief out of allimium tubing with simple fill valve on front end,you need a dummy 12gr canister on front end that replaces the disposable one jointed to the new tube this can be machined from solid alli and threaded to fit end cap thread,the dummy 12gr end can then either be threaded to the alli tube or fitted into tube with couple oring seals and held in place with 3x grub screws and front end cap done same way,i never made these bulk fill extensions to hold more than 36gr co2 otherwise they tend to get too heavy and upset balance of rifle etc,as point of these bulk fill extensions is to cut running costs more than anything else with me a 24gr extension is fine,as doubles shot count anyway,i preferr to do bulk fills this way as means dont modify rifle and it can then still use the 12gr diposables as well,if done right this way of bulk filling will also look good,made up several such extensions for different rifles this way and found best looking and a very practical way of bulk filling this type of rifle.
 cheers mike"

If I did get an air chief i'd be very keen to get an adapter like that made up but would have no idea how to do it myself unfortunately.  Again, back to the strengths of the multi pump guns.
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Top Sig Sauer asp20 .177 Swapped for tx200 and very happy with it performance.
The moderator is fitted to barrel but is a slip on and should fit 362.
There is another already built for 362 which is the same and I'll just put on instead of sending barrel down for fitting.
Breach will fit 13xx 22xx and 362. The 13xx and 22xx are pretty much the same gun. The barrel on 1322 is a 2240 or 2250 barrel brought from youngs.
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Have you seen billbobs CR600 on site?
He threw a larger cylinder on his and did the adaption, so may be able to explain what's needed. Also put a bipod on it. Which if you go that route I have a gamo bi pod and picatinny rail you can have for next to nothing as I don't use it. Rail will need to be cut in 2 for use.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Have you seen billbobs CR600 on site?
He threw a larger cylinder on his and did the adaption, so may be able to explain what's needed. Also put a bipod on it. Which if you go that route I have a gamo bi pod and picatinny rail you can have for next to nothing as I don't use it. Rail will need to be cut in 2 for use.

I don't think I have seen it but will look for it now. I would be keen to attach a bipod for sure, so once again I appreciate the offer. If I do go down that route I will or 1322/2250 I'll message you no doubt.  Thanks for all the help and advice.  Shooting is nothing new to me but these multi pump or co2 rifles are, as is modding so it is good to hear what other people achieve with them.  I did shoot starlings as a boy but they became protected in the UK not long after that. I think most of the ones I shot were with a 9mm garden gun but a few with air rifles too I'm sure.

I did manage to kill one pest tonight. The cat belonging to the people I'm staying with brought a mouse into the house a couple of days ago. Their poodle spotted it run under the fridge today, so I flushed it out and with a little help from the poodle, I managed to dispatch it with one of my crocs.  I don't think I'll get many more using that method though.
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