Pistol build

it's a nice play on your name and lead. It's short and catchy.

Would work.

The strait pull bolt sounds the go.

Be dam handy thing to know, if you start with mags as well.

Sweet work Pauly, gonna be fun watching you devolp and fine tune the pistol.

Got a name brewing for it?

A bit more progress on this next build. I have formed the breech using pre drilled alu square bar I got from Aliexpress.. The hole is 10 mm, so I turned down the barrel to fit and I have 10 mm stainless rod to make the probe. This fitted together really well after I formed the hollow probe onto one end.

I still need to make a pellet tray and figure out the best way to attach the breech to the main tube, but everything fits together really well and the cocking is really positive and feels great using cap screws instead of a pin.

I have figured out I need to make the actual hammer longer so the screw is further back, as how it is now, the probe won't travel back enough to load the pellet. the extra size of the cap heads cause this. All in the name of product development.

I am planning on this being a straight pull bolt with a lockup mechanism. If I was making a revolving bolt that you lift and pull, I would need a meatier breech so that 90 deg channels could be cut into it to lock up probe for firing.

I used a 32mm round wood routing bit to form the bottom of the breech to fit the main tube.

The stainless is really good to work with and my tooling seems to handle it well. The hollow probe comes out really well and I seem to be able to make them quite easily now, especially with the mill. I use the end mill to form the hollow part by plunging down and this comes out nicely with just a little bit of filing required. The mill also ensures a proper 90 threaded hole in the probe for bolts, and in this case a cap screw for the cocking lug.

Beauty!

J S Airguns
Air Arms TX200('s)
Theoben Sirocco
HW77
FWB 300s
Webley Patriot
One or two others...

Current projects:
Too many..

Very fancy 👍🏻

Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.

I'd imagine that a bi pod would be the go for a pistol.
Yep 80m is unrealistic for a pistol, was more about fpe drop, but the bc supprised me. I wasn't expecting a same weight pellet to gain that much just on bc.

Shot three 5 shot groups plus a couple of sighters this arvo.

Distance 15m. Accuracy is there.

Not by much though.
Running it out to 80m it's only about 1 to 2ft/lb approx,depending on bc

Jsb hades 15.89gr
632fps = 14.1 ft/lb
Bc of 0.023
6ft/lb at 80m

Jsb exact jumbo 15.89gr
632fps = 14.1 ft/lb
Bc of 0.031
7.5 ft/lb at 80m

Jsb match Diablo exact heavy 18.13gr
580fps = 13.59 ft/lb
Bc of 0.035
8.75ft/lb at 80m.

80m may be a bit to far but I went for the 5fpe approx to kill a rabbit, on worst bc, and who knows what the finished gun with a standard 22xx clip on stock may be capable of.

But it definitely sits well in the range of useful power for hunting.
Being it's a 22xx breach you should pop the barrel off your 362 and see what sort of gains you get.

Edited by kruzaroad - 19 Oct 2023 at 6:41am

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2691	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 10:02am
	it's a nice play on your name and lead. It's short and catchy. Would work.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 8:59am
	I don't think mags will be too hard to do. Yea I'm working on a name. My initials are PB [chemical symbol for lead] so working on that maybe. PB Air

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2691	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 7:49am
	The strait pull bolt sounds the go. Be dam handy thing to know, if you start with mags as well. Sweet work Pauly, gonna be fun watching you devolp and fine tune the pistol. Got a name brewing for it?

Billbobnz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2020 Location: Ashburton Status: Offline Posts: 918	Post Options Post Reply Quote Billbobnz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 3:26am
	That looks awesome

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 2:40am
	A bit more progress on this next build. I have formed the breech using pre drilled alu square bar I got from Aliexpress.. The hole is 10 mm, so I turned down the barrel to fit and I have 10 mm stainless rod to make the probe. This fitted together really well after I formed the hollow probe onto one end. I still need to make a pellet tray and figure out the best way to attach the breech to the main tube, but everything fits together really well and the cocking is really positive and feels great using cap screws instead of a pin. I have figured out I need to make the actual hammer longer so the screw is further back, as how it is now, the probe won't travel back enough to load the pellet. the extra size of the cap heads cause this. All in the name of product development. I am planning on this being a straight pull bolt with a lockup mechanism. If I was making a revolving bolt that you lift and pull, I would need a meatier breech so that 90 deg channels could be cut into it to lock up probe for firing. I used a 32mm round wood routing bit to form the bottom of the breech to fit the main tube. The stainless is really good to work with and my tooling seems to handle it well. The hollow probe comes out really well and I seem to be able to make them quite easily now, especially with the mill. I use the end mill to form the hollow part by plunging down and this comes out nicely with just a little bit of filing required. The mill also ensures a proper 90 threaded hole in the probe for bolts, and in this case a cap screw for the cocking lug.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 1:26am
	I've made a start on another pistol this past week. First off I made the fill valve, firing valve and hammer retaining blocks. That's the majority of turning work done, then next is preparing the tube. Mapping out slots and holes for trigger and breech. This time I am using a cap head screw for the hammer pin with a bushing to stop threads catching on the slot. Certainly feels more solid than a pin.

J-S Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 20 Oct 2014 Location: Auckland Status: Offline Posts: 497	Post Options Post Reply Quote J-S Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Nov 2023 at 1:52am
	Beauty!
	J S Airguns Air Arms TX200('s) Theoben Sirocco HW77 FWB 300s Webley Patriot One or two others... Current projects: Too many..

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Nov 2023 at 4:38pm
	I started on some new grips a couple of days ago. made from a bit of walnut I have. The next build will get them, but here they are with a first coat of oil.

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 1035	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 2023 at 3:38pm
	Very fancy 👍🏻
	Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 4:08pm
	I made a start on number 2 today. First part made was the fill valve block. Its sitting next to one I did my trials with, but use it for sizing. I will make a bigger tank for this one and thinking about a folding stock. I made a mount for the stock that doubles as the hammer spring retaining block so easy to swap between pistol and carbine, but of course stock can be folded too.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2691	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2023 at 2:06am
	I'd imagine that a bi pod would be the go for a pistol. Yep 80m is unrealistic for a pistol, was more about fpe drop, but the bc supprised me. I wasn't expecting a same weight pellet to gain that much just on bc.

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 1035	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2023 at 4:05pm
	Nice 👍🏻
	Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2023 at 3:55pm
	Shot three 5 shot groups plus a couple of sighters this arvo. Distance 15m. Accuracy is there.

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1676	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2023 at 3:46pm
	If I was to make one that had the crosman stock on it, I would make a bigger tank, which would allow more shots at the higher power. But of course nothing wrong with making a bigger tank for the pistol. If I was hunting with it, i'd be resting it against something to steady it anyway. But how many shots are you going to get with a pistol when hunting rabbits? They seem to get plenty in the UK with sub 12 fpe, so 13/15 fpe should be adequate, but challenging. I wouldn't be taking 80 m shots with a pistol, it'd be a gamble. Yea I might try the 362 barrel on it. That had crossed my mind.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2691	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2023 at 6:39am
	Not by much though. Running it out to 80m it's only about 1 to 2ft/lb approx,depending on bc Jsb hades 15.89gr 632fps = 14.1 ft/lb Bc of 0.023 6ft/lb at 80m Jsb exact jumbo 15.89gr 632fps = 14.1 ft/lb Bc of 0.031 7.5 ft/lb at 80m Jsb match Diablo exact heavy 18.13gr 580fps = 13.59 ft/lb Bc of 0.035 8.75ft/lb at 80m. 80m may be a bit to far but I went for the 5fpe approx to kill a rabbit, on worst bc, and who knows what the finished gun with a standard 22xx clip on stock may be capable of. But it definitely sits well in the range of useful power for hunting. Being it's a 22xx breach you should pop the barrel off your 362 and see what sort of gains you get. Edited by kruzaroad - 19 Oct 2023 at 6:41am