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kruzaroad
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 1:53am |
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You and me both with the "wow OK that's a little more involved than I'll be doing" pete.
But on the plus side doesn't seem that all the work is giving any significant gains... Yet. When I pulled the piston out the chamber had way to much oil in it. Enough to pool, so that is the most likely cause of the smoke. Graphite grease seems to be the what is most commonly recommended for piston chamber. Crossman make cylinder lube for springers (not to be confused with pelgun oil used for pumpers and CO2, which I did first off) handy stuff to have for any of your springers. As for all the stuff going on with it all, if you can take the movement out of your barrel, get your piston running smooth and strait, have your seals sealing good your still way in the running for tighten your groups. Pellet choice will prob aid it alot as well. The trigger being lightened will help heaps too. I'm contemplating putting a small angled hole in the front trigger gaurd and threading it (by using the screw I will put in) to make a stop for trigger reseting to far forward. (inspired by trigger adjustment shown previously but taking all the complicated work out of it.) Remember it's about tightening the groups not engineering the parts in end.
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 2:05am |
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With the piston your after a grease that doesn't detonate. I think the edge of the pistons seals can reach upto 700 deg (not sure if that f or c) but it causes the grease (petrolium based greases in particular) to detonate causing a increase in pressure within the chamber. This gives uneven pressures from shot to shot, causing differnt impact points of pellet. It can also dam damage the seal.
Look up dieseling on the Web. It is not recommended to do this but check it out to see what I'm on about. |
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Pauly5
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 2:39am |
I had thought about that way too. I was thinking about using a backing piece inside the hollow trigger to thread into, but it could be fiddly. For brazing, how well would silver solder that we use for electrical connections work?
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KiwiTR6
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 2:48am |
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I'm sure normal electrical solder would be fine Paul, there's no real load on the adjuster. I just happen to have some silver-solder which is stronger and flows really nicely if you strategically place tiny little off cuts.
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jwabfrog
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 2:50am |
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Kiwi, your engineering skills are impressive! Looks super nice. Well done
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 2:53am |
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same goes for Bilbo's barrel machining work
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 3:03am |
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Can't see the point in getting to complicated on trigger for this gun.
A simple stop for trigger seems enough for me. Another idea I had, but won't be doing due to lack of tools, was to bore a small hole into the breech block, to the bottom left or right of the barrel. Thread the top so a small cap with center drilled out could be screwed over the top of a spring and ball bearing put into the hole, and a shallow receiving hole on other side for the bearing to lock into. Barrel lock. In theory would hold barrel in same place when closed. |
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KiwiTR6
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 4:19am |
Thanks frog, I'm really not that talented. I sit at a desk all day so this sort of stuff is my way of de-stressing
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Billbobnz
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 3:10pm |
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Righto, Ive got the barrel refitted, modified the original breech seal and got it lined up perfectly horizontal.
Have shimmed breech to remove the lateral movement. I need to make another breech pivot bolt but it's fitted together ok in the meantime to put it back together tomorrow to retest it at 10m. Fingers crossed....... |
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Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 3:11pm |
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Sourced some O-rings today from the local engineer and turned up a nylon spacer to bring the O-ring out about 0.5mm beyond the breech. I then fastened it to the spacer with some E6000 glue and closed the breech while it set. The breech now closes completely and when I put the barrel in the vice and applied pressure to the cylinder there was no play at all. The barrel and cylinder aren't concentric with several degrees of difference between the centreline of each. I'm not going to try and correct this though as now that the breech is solid a scope adjusted to suit should work fine (I assume?). I also had time to cut a groove in the piston to take a PTFE ring rather than the buttons I was planning to fit. The piston body was too flexible to grip in the 4-jaw so I held it by the centre shaft and centralised it with my dial gauge as best I could. The thing squealed like a pig as the parting tool chattered away trying to cut the groove but I got there eventually. Not pretty, but it should work. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to make the ring then it can be assembled, although I want to to crown the barrel before I test it again. ![]() |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2023 at 3:49am |
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great efforts!
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Billbobnz
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Posted: 07 Sep 2023 at 2:35pm |
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Gun is temporarily back together, I have taken slightly too much off the breech so the barrel is slightly upwards but is fixable. Definitely shooting much smoother.
My son came out (8yrs old) and decided right there and then to have a go. Got him on the cr600 and 3rd shot in was right on the bullseye at 10m. I think the air chief will become his first gun once I've finished with it |
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Billbobnz
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Posted: 07 Sep 2023 at 2:36pm |
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LOP is still slightly too long so may shorten the stock for him on the air chief but not untill I master the beast it is haha
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 07 Sep 2023 at 3:04pm |
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Sweet bb. Sounds like he will be showing you soon.
So how you gonna fix it? Shim or reface? |
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Billbobnz
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Posted: 07 Sep 2023 at 3:06pm |
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Will try shimming first
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