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Ok, I think for once I'm going to use my brain haha, otherwise I'll end up spending 5k to shoot a handfull of myna's.

I thought to myself "I'll pick up guitar again", so I ended up with two guitars worth about 5k each and all the crap to go along with them.

I thought "I'll ride to work to get fitter for mountain biking" so I got an 18k road bike to commute on.....then another the same (in a different colour) for a nice weekend rider. Wacko

I think I'd better just get something like the Diana range for now...

I just have to choose between and 34 EMS and the 340 N-Tec as there doesn't seem to be stock of the Ar8 anywhere. 

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Originally posted by Myson Myson wrote:

Just a thought....

As I usually rest my rifles on the nearest fence-post or tree when hunting - in order to use the Artillery Hold technique


I do a similar thing often when I'm out and about with my big camera lens. I use a post, stick or wall as a makeshift monopod.
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Originally posted by KiwiTR6 KiwiTR6 wrote:

I'd suggest the 34 with synthetic stock over the other for what you've said you want to do.



Most of my hunting will be done from my balcony LOL

Just a few myna's, maybe a feral cat or two, and then just targets. I'm ok with either wood or synthetic as I'm very fussy and extremely careful with how I treat my things so would be unlikely to damage it.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

I don't consider either the tx or hw97 as practical hunting gun.


Well to be fair, the extent of my "hunting" will be to deal with about 15 Indian Myna birds and maybe to two feral cats from the bush next door. I've no real interest in anything further than that, so will just be for playing with some targets when I'm bored after that.

The weight is something to consider seeing as I've had my back broken in five places, but I'm working on my strength and won't be out all day lugging a rifle around anyway.

Where did you get the AR8 from? I can't see any online, but I guess some suppliers might order one in.

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I find weight an issue. The tx was heavy gun. Avoid it if wieght is an issue. 97 has a sling due to its weight as did the tx.

Neither the diana or the sig had slings.
Im still not sure if its the stock shape but both i carried. Sig did feel heavier.
Having said all that the tx was the only wooden stock.
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Just a thought....

As I usually rest my rifles on the nearest fence-post or tree when hunting - in order to use the Artillery Hold technique - I'm not sure the weight of an air rifle is an issue.

But if it is (for you), think about the Weihrauch HW95 - a superb, lighter weight, break barrel springer that is extremely accurate, powerful and incredibly well made.

I love mine.  I regularly knock golf balls off tees at 70yds with my .177 version, using the Element Helix scope on top.

A superb combination if you like longer range shooting and use the holdover/holdunder technique (the Element scopes have fabulous reticules).

You can't beat Weihrauchs in my opinion!  Smile
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The Sig is also noticeably heavy though....
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Ar8 has won me over. Its way more accurate than i expected.its well made. Trigger i haven't touched as its awsome.
Shoulders well. I don't find it too heavy. Cocking is easy.
Fps spread is excellent.
The only issue has been the back stock screw which comes loose despite lock tight.
I don't consider either the tx or hw97 as practical hunting gun. Nor do i find it less accurate hunting. Target i think diana would lose our over distance. But not by much.
I think a sig asp20 would be a better choice for hunting than either the tx or hw97 and not quite as good as the diana for long range but comparable. Also a gas ram.
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Oops, I need to remove that listing as well, that gun was sold a wee while back.  They are bloody heavy so probably wouldn't have suited anyway.

Please don't assume I'm an expert on this subject matter, I'm just a retired guy relatively new to the sport who is prepared to express an opinion and keen to add dialogue to this forum which does tend go a bit quiet at times.

That said, the 340 is a gas-ram type and the 34 a standard springer.  Both have the T06 two-stage trigger which I would rate as equal to the Weihrauch Rekord trigger, but a little more tricky to set up.  Once done, it's brilliant.

I'd suggest the 34 with synthetic stock over the other for what you've said you want to do.  I know Kruza has a Diana AR8 which he seems to like, perhaps he'll chip in with his thoughts.




Edited by KiwiTR6 - 03 May 2026 at 7:57pm
Daystate Red Wolf .22
FX Dreamline .22
Diana Outlaw .22
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HW30 .177
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Originally posted by KiwiTR6 KiwiTR6 wrote:

The HW50 was sold last week.


Ahh poop. 

So knowing what I am hoping to do with my air rifle (should I manage to get my hands on one), do you think your friend's TX200 is the sort of thing I should look at?

And in the Diana range 340NP vs 34EMS for a similar price. What's so different about them to bother having the seemingly similar two, at around the same price-point? I guess I mean to ask, which would be more suitable for me?


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The HW50 was sold last week.

I have several Dianas, the smallest made in 1977 by Milbro in the UK.  Purchased from Collector Weapons, it's an absolute gem and highly accurate.

An Outlaw PCP, made in China, also a very accurate gun but had a few manufacturing issues when received. I was able to sort them myself and it's used by my niece for target shooting each week with good results.

Also, I recently purchased new a 340 N Tech followed by a Two Forty, both in .177,  The former is made in Germany, the latter in China.  The Two Forty is definitely not as well finished as a Weihrauch (to be expected at half the price) but it is equally as accurate as my HW30.  Not a high powered gun though.

The 340 N-Tec is a full sized gun that is equally as well finished as a Weihrauch and retails for around $750 new.

What I'm getting to is that regardless of where it's made, a Diana is going to be a much better and more accurate purchase than any Gamo/Norica/Benjamin et al. currently on the market.

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Yeah i think thats more weihrauch has a rep. But its a rep based on well made guns.
Diana i think also has some guns that arnt that great due to trying to appeal to a larger cross section. Higher end is close to wiehrach prices i believe. Though don't quote me.on that, i haven't gone to far into diana models yet.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Basics on wedges .



I would hate to see your FULL breakdown haha.

I do understand some of the basics....but only due to playing some video games where bullet drop is a factor and you have to make distance calculations etc.

I did however think that it was all built into the scope and if you dialled up distance, it would adjust the scope angle at the same time. I was not aware it was mechanical.
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KiwiTR6, I completely agree, but at this stage I am still trying to determine where the line of diminishing returns really kicks in.

You posted an HW50 in the for sale section (that I'm not allowed to comment in yet) and I am aware that the Weihrauch are a well thought of rifle, and it seems some of the Diana range are too...but there seems to be a bigger difference in price between those two than there is between the Benjamin and the Daina.

Thank you for sharing your experience with the Benjamin Trail though, much appreciated.



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Basics on wedges .
Pellets start arcing down as soon as they are in the air. The arc gets sharper as the speed drops off, the further away it gets.
So the pellet is never really any higher than when it leaves the barrel
If your scope was level with the barrel you would never have a place where the line of sight crosses over where the pellet flys.
So they don't. Scopes have a slight downward angle .
Now your line of sight is a strait line that because it has a slight angle towards the barrel it will go through the arc of pellet at two points. One will be close one will further away.
You set your zero where you want it intersect that arc. That means part of the arc of the pellet will appear above the line of sight and part below. These are your hold overs and unders.
Wedges go between the scope rings and the scope and make that angle more downwards. That means the strait line of sight will be able to intersect the pellet arc earlier and later. That means more of the arc is outside the strait line of sight.That means you use more hold over points to accomplish that.
Examples hw97 wedged scope covers 13 mildots over a 100m
Diana none wedged scope approx 3 mildots over same distance.
Hw97 15,20,25m are basically one mildot separation at two mildot hold over.
Diana none shimmed (another word for wedge) scope.
15,20,25m is a half mildot hold under. That line mark at half mildot does all three distances. Level with bottom of line,15m. Dead middle of that line 20m and hair above it 25m.
Needless to say but i will. The wedge scope allows me more mildots to cover the same area. That means more points of refrance for distances.
The none wedge has such a small amount of movement i can be 10m of distance just from gun movement and it hardly noticable.


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