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I would like more wood and tactical reminds me of war and killing people rather than sport and hunting.

The impact has multiple rails that allow for easier customizing like bipods, additional torches, sling attachments, but can then be taken off just as easily.

So slightly weak reasoning, I agree, but just adding a viewpoint to the discussion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kruzaroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2024 at 9:58am
Turns out in nz registered pest controllers can get an exception on banned semi autos. There's a few interesting pcp semi auto ive seen on the web that would fall under the banned category that would be great for rabbit control, if accurate.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JasonEdward Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2024 at 10:53am
I think we're more part in our thinking than we are in expressing our thinking.

Tactical is fashionable and I'm not really judging the people but think this fashion is not a good look for a air rifle/firearms industry in a bit of a PR crisis with many of the public thinking there is no good reason to own anything that can be used as a weapon.

It does seem that the latest and best PCPs are more and more a non-traditional look. But the default look for non-traditional seems to be tactical.

Kruzer, interesting stats but a more detailed breakdown to see what is an "incident", seriousness of injuries and deaths. Death numbers are predictably high from the weapon of choice of mass murderers.

We seem to only hear about hunters shot while hunting, accidents with loaded firearms accidentally fired (which should never happen but usually firearms are being used legally - a failure of the operator to do what he/she was taught in FAL training, gangs bringing firearms to a brawl or a stand-over murders with intent and mass shootings.

Good point Pauly and exactly my thinking re the Impact - it's the latest and greatest from FX and I'd love one but there does not seem to be a traditional option in the Impact i.e. like the Dreamline Classic.

It is interesting that most cullers have a bull-pup style. I've never even held one but can't get my head around how they would fit me...but there must be significant advantages given they usually required more trigger and cocking linkages.   

I'd like to hear from some younger people on this forum because I am definitely biased by age and perhaps experience and struggle with tactical FAs even looking like mankillers. And most regular posters here aren't young.

It's too easy for old codgers like me to grizzle "it wasn't like that in my day" ... but I guess I'm actually suggesting there is a link between tacticals and their users being more likely to be unsafe which is likely to be bollocks I'm guessing... :-)

But yeah, I do fail to see why anyone but a serious collector would want an AR-15 style FA... 
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https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-homicide-report/data.html


Data released by police under the Official Information Act shows 10 murder or manslaughter deaths in 2022, up until 31 July. There were 11 in total in 2021.

Injuries are also running at a record rate, on track to exceed 300 firearm-related injuries for the first time. In 2021, there were 298 gun-related injuries recorded by police, the highest ever.

That was despite a year on year drop in the number of firearms-related crimes police have had to deal with.

In 2021, police dealt with 3683 firearms-related offences, down 7 percent on the previous year. Up until 31 July, those figures are tracking 1 percent lower again.

It shows a growing willingness of people to use their guns against other people.
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/473805/firearms-injuries-and-deaths-occurring-at-record-rates-data-reveals

While information about the firearm 'pool' of yesteryear is lacking, recent information shows some 1.1 million firearms in NZ, of which 43% are rifles, 29% are shotguns, 25% are airguns and 3% are handguns.    The proportion of firearms per capita has steadily increased from 0.236 to 0.311, because of firearm imports exceeding the population growth rate3. The age distribution of arms accident casualties has changed slightly, with the age for accumulated 50 percentile casualties increasing from 25 years (1930 to 1966 and early 1980s data) to 30 years (1987 to 2004

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237328626_An_analysis_of_trends_in_firearms_casualties_in_New_Zealand

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Gees with appox 400 000 air guns in nz youd think they would be a better 2nd hand market
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I do like bullpup guns, and they can have plenty of wood. My favourite gun is my EDgun Matador R3, single shot, bolt action. (bottom gun) Top left is an AGT Uragan.
Having the forward cocking lever is the best setup though, and this is what the Wildcat and Impact have.

The advantage is that all the weight is close to you when shouldered and the length is greatly reduced over a classic style, so for hunting they have their advantages.

They may not appeal to all, but they are very practical and don't always have to look too tactical.

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Bottom one looks really nice
I actually dont think any of them look tactical.
No mag off them,mo ejection port/bolt charging handle, no carry handle,no fire select switch,dials pn it,,big cylinder under barrel, wood definitely looks great but very untactical. Just look like well looked after hunting rifles to me.
Wonder if they make a bull pup springer must have a search.
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"Crazy no FAL for Police...but given their training, powers, and that we trust them with those it's probably not a big deal." Their firearm handing skills are widely considered abysmal in the firearms community.
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That in my view growlybear is a big deal. For the situations the police use guns in, they should be fully versed in fire arms, ballistics, projectiles, saftey.
They shoot in the most dangerous areas.
Heres an example i remember from years ago that shocked me, and i look it up now as an example.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/raging-bull-hornys-rampage-ends-in-hail-of-police-bullets/BFOWQ7776TNBYHQG6764VGW3J4/

Basically 9 shots to body, 3 to head.
What was the issue? To low a fpe?
Bad placement?
Wrong projectile type?
Did the cop just wildly shoot it in the side as it passed ?
I dont know , but its totally obvious this person should not have been in control of a fire arm (at least in my view)
Ill do a quick search and see if i can find the weapon used
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