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Billbobnz
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Patent pending - Kiwiairgunners
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Billbobnz
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I had this really crazy idea the otherday that I have no idea if it could be engineered. Is somehow fit a highflow regulator between the piston chamber and breech to regulate the pressure to allow more constant pressure behind the pellet for greater accuracy - almost had a brain aneurysm over the idea - if it's possible we all will patent it lol
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Billbobnz
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Good evening, one thing to check is how much play is there in the breech? If you have a feeler gauge, remove the breech bolt that the barrel piviots on and feel for any gaps down beside the breech shim bushings. If there is even the slightest gap as the breech bolt is tightened it squeezes the front of the shim bushes and allows a MIT of lateral movement at the rear (hard to explain but you may know what I mean) a gazillion of a nanometer of movement here will throw your accuracy out.
You will be able to get shim washers from a engineering firm near you to replace the factory ones to help remove any gaps in this area. Just another thing to check :) |
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kruzaroad
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Cheers Xyon. All ready dropped it and retested it by time read this.But have filed that info away for future. Guessing as still had to use gclamp to compress it to put pin in that holds it all in I fluked that one. whew.
With washer out back in 600fps range. Last 2 digits 10 string group as follows 89,94,79,95,85,93,89,91,82,86. AVG = 690fps A lot less erratic and a lot less thump at end of stroke. 25m groups:with baffle and washer in 4.55cm,x 3.51cm baffle out / washer in 3.4cm x 3.7cm -Baffle out washer out 1st group 3cm x 3.4cm. 2nd group minus flyer ( really I pulled trigger to early coming onto bull) and a totally pulled it, leaves a 8 shot group at 2.3cm x 2.5cm 20m groups: (didn't shoot one earlier with baffle out) Washer in baffle in 4cm x 3.15cm washer and baffle out 2cm x 2.5cm now if I can get that trigger adjustment screw in ten or prefablable 12mm length I'll be able to take out the rediculous amount of travel in the sear without filing it back any more. Get that machining mark sorted.clean up the baffle, I might have what gamo should have sold me. Cheers for advice. Any more fire away it's all been good so far. Edited by kruzaroad - 23 Aug 2022 at 5:25pm |
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xyon
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Hi, make sure the gas spring still has a few mm of preload after you remove the washer - otherwise it will kill itself as the internal parts slam together. BTW changing the pre-load on a gas spring won't change the spring force as much as a steel spring.
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kruzaroad
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Ive sent the pics to gamo distributor and asked if this could be the issue with accuracy and will gamo replace the barrel. They also put a 5mm washer behind the gas ram (as standard) which I'm probly going to take out.It reeks of a gun that has just had a spacer put in to upgrade the power and I suspect that the piston is hitting the end of cylinder harder than it should, increasing recoil and doing the seal no good. I'd rather a lower power rifle (providing its not to big a drop) that hits where its aimed more than a faster rifle that puts pellets into the rear of animals your aiming to the front of.
This gun has been a major pain in the arse, but worth its weight in gold as a learning curve that's for sure. |
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kruzaroad
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Nothing cheating about pcp. Still uses pellets and follows the same laws of drop, wind, bc. Its my job to hold the gun right so it's a steady platform,and counter the recoil.
Anyway went to other end of barrel to look at crown (which was fine) but the journey to it and past it a different story. 1: Pellet scuffing to the end cap on shroud. 2: Damage to baffle inside shroud. 3:Tooling Mark running radius of rifling and grooves. Having never looked through barrel from baffel end never noticed it before. It's taken about 50 odd photos to get these and they don't do justice to how clear, crisp and deep it is. Targets shot at 25 without the baffle in to make sure it wasn't just baffle Edited by kruzaroad - 23 Aug 2022 at 2:13pm |
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Pauly5
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Ha ha, sorry, I really meant to say that I would find it hard to shoot good groups at 25 m with a red dot sight. slightly older eyes can struggle to focus on the close red dot and target at the same time.
So if you had a scope with a fine reticule, you may find the groups tighten up, or at least you can eliminate that factor. You could try shooting into water and seeing if there are any bad looking marks from clipping? I have a 97k, and it shoots great, but when I first got it the stock screws would sometimes loosen, and this caused groups to open up, so make sure everything is tightened down positively and that the action sits comfortably in the stock. Another factor was tightening screws to the same torque each time. means the POI remained the same, but overtightening had the effect of putting a slight bend in the main tube, and effecting pellet speed from extra friction in the main tube.. I cheated in my videos, I was using a pcp.
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kruzaroad
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just watched a couple videos and read a heap on crowns. So yep could be an issue going to check cat trap then have a look. Have a shrouded barrel that's going to sux for checking it. But good advice pauly5.
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kruzaroad
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I shot it to 15 meters with open sights and thought sweet and put scope on.(prob should have gone further)
It currently has a gun City air rifle rated scope,in a one piece base, on gamo recoil damping base they come with.(red dot won't even look into till firing strait) I have no idea about the crown but will check it out on Web. That comment does make me wonder if its clipping the built in suppressor baffle. Will check that, probly remove internal baffle and see if tightens. I've seen no damage in bore but that's just looking through barrel with eye, so no noticeable damage might be better description. As for the groups if that's as good as it shoots at 25 meters, it's no good to me. I've already taken a hare with tx that had a pellet in rear leg from gamo prior to tx ( that would have been aimed as a heart shot on stationary hare) I've seen your videos and would find it hard to believe that you wouldn't be putting pellets through same hole at 25m Cheers you've given me couple more things to look at. It also came standard with a washer as spacer behind gas ram, wonder if removing that would help without dropping the power to much. hmmm |
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