My new (old) little .177 bullpup.

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   I'll try that next time Pete.
Kruz, good idea. In fact I used to use a Marauder pistol for this work, and I had a home made NV rig on it that used a reversing camera screen. I actually held the gun out the window and shot at right angles using the screen to aim.

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Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 2:36am
	I'll try that next time Pete. Kruz, good idea. In fact I used to use a Marauder pistol for this work, and I had a home made NV rig on it that used a reversing camera screen. I actually held the gun out the window and shot at right angles using the screen to aim.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2492	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 6:12pm
	Maybe a pistol as well for those close jobs? 2250 stock?

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 978	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 6:06pm
	😂😂😂 At 1.5m you aim for the very fuzzy and out of focus head, and hit it in the heart… 😂😂😂 In fact, it might be easier to not aim at all, just reach out as far as u can, stretch a smidget further and gently touch the muzzel up to its breast as u squeeze the trigger! 😂😂😂
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Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 6:04pm
	It was the hardest shot of the night. I had to hold the muzzle against the frame, and could barely see the bird, then think about hold over at that range, (more like how high is my scope off the barrel). Yes I got it. Not a clean kill but got it.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2492	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 5:34pm
	And at 1.5m be prepared to be ribbed merciless if ya didn't. Lol

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2492	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 5:31pm
	Well can't be any fairer than wearing a high vis. And I thought I'd got into uncomfortable awkward positions! So did you get it?

Pauly5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: Titahi Bay Status: Offline Posts: 1562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pauly5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 2:31pm
	Forget the quad, forget the field or binoculars, how about negotiating a bottom hung window with a pigeon 1.5 m away. My wife was my spotter this week on a pigeon job.

kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2492	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 1:42pm
	I agree with what you say about fair chance and respect for animal, the actual thrill of the stalk and trying to play the quarries senses. That however does not dictate what and what isn't hunting really. Sitting on quad and shooting long distance is no differnt to me walking a paddock with a spot light, picking up a hares eyes and shooting. With a 22lr I can honestly say the shooting range will extend substantially at which I shoot at. The alienation of the animal shot at distance ends when you get to it. When you pluck it/skin it, butcher it. But as you say , its my view needn't be anyone else's.

RangerPete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2023 Location: Cambridge. Status: Offline Posts: 978	Post Options Post Reply Quote RangerPete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 1:18pm
	If the closest you can get to a hare is 60m, with no cover, and if u approached any closer the animal would become aware of u, and has a fair chance of escaping, then no problem, that’s hunting. You’ve gotten as close as you can get, using ur skills and bush craft to remain undetected. You have pitted your sences and your skills against that animal’s. With an air rifle, a 60m shot is a long shot, (I know some people will say “well I shoot golf balls at 160m” Ja fine, good for you, but for the rest of us 60m is still a long shot) but if your equipment is capable of being accurate at that distance, and u are confident you can pull of the shot, then go for it 👍🏻 But someone sitting on their quad bike on top of this hill and using their 80x spotting scope to glass not the next hill, but the one behind that… that’s not hunting, it’s game viewing. And if you take a shot at that animal half a kilometer and two hills away, and used your balistic app to work out how many mills you need to hold over and your blue tooth kestrel to measure wind speed which connects to the app and corrects for you, it’s not hunting, it’s target practise. But that’s just my opinion. You are so far away you can’t possibly have any emotional connection with your quarry, you haven’t out smarted it, you have “out technologies” it, well done, there is no element of fair chase, because u havent even attempted to chased it at all, and you have missed the point of going on a hunt. Does shooting a 10inch metal gong at 600m give you “buck fever”? No, because it’s not hunting. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that there is no skill involved in hitting a target at long range. I completely appreciate the skill that is required. But shooting an animal that’s so far away you can’t see it with the naked eye, is not hunting to me. Many others will differ, and that’s fine, it’s just my opinion 👍🏻 Edited by RangerPete - 28 Jul 2023 at 1:26pm
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kruzaroad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 Jul 2022 Location: Hastings 4 now Status: Offline Posts: 2492	Post Options Post Reply Quote kruzaroad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 4:17am
	I'm in 2 minds on that. I can see your point but query your view on distance shooting. You have to be out there to find the animals, which in itself is hunting. Your Activly looking for an animal to shoot. That's hunting. Stalking is a differnt thing. I'd also point out deer are pest animal, and as you say thermals are wonderful for pest control. If I'm looking for food, why wouldn't I take a long shot? I'm not there to play cat and mouse. Do you consider a 60m shot on hare in an open paddock hunting? I do, Im still out there, fact the hare is in the open and I won't get any closer doesn't lessen that. The skill needed to to shoot that distance is higher (I'm a springer shooter). I apply the same to any animal. Don't get me wrong the object of the hunt is to get as close as possible without spooking (for shot assurity) but if the opertunity arises for a long shot... its what guns were designed to do.