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kruzaroad
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Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 4:59am |
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Looks like it Pauly.
Shooting from the right of the picture and further back would put the center beam and two arms off it as back drop. I'll see if my mate on farm will let me pop a pidgeon and if so, I'll do a few shots into it and work out the fpe needed at target to not over penitrate which should put you in the ball park for trials. |
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Pauly5
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Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 3:08am |
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I used that same gun in a shopping centre for shooting sparrows. It had a big glass dome, so similar situation. I got a couple of small panes of off cuts from the local glass supplier for free.
But like you, I still didn't want to risk it so I only shot at something that had a good back ground. For that pigeon there could you have moved position so a metal frame was behind it?
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kruzaroad
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Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 12:31pm |
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Should have popped it strait thru the breast. There's a lot of pellet slowing meat there. Breast bone, crop if it is full, feathers, then the heart etc, but they arn't that tough.
Personally I'd have thought indoor shooting would be for a pumper. I've shot sparrows in the.woolshed with. Mine at 5 pumps and not had them go right thru. Edited by kruzaroad - 11 Aug 2023 at 12:32pm |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 12:10pm |
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Hummm… that’s not a bad idea.
Where can I get some scrap pieces of glass from? Here is a pic of a pigeon teasing me, and the glass roof up above it 😂😂😂
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Walk quietly, but carry a big stick.
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Pauly5
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Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 1:25am |
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Why don't you put some glass behind your next test, or metal flashing to see how big the dent is.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 5:35pm |
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After my post on the 15 July, I’ve got an update on pellet penetration in pigeons.
I needed a power tune and pellet combo that would kill a pigeon at close range (under 10m) but not over penetrate and exit the bird because of the glass roof up above them… 🤔 I setteled on a 8.14gr flat nosed match pellet, traveling at 501fps, which gave 4.8fpe. It was very accurate and did its job on a few pigeons, but after doing some penetration tests I was actually worried about under penetration… 🤔 I was worried the flat nose pellets were not penetrating deep enough to get through the breast mussels and into the heart/lung vitals, resulting in a slow death. Not ideal. Only about half of the test shots seemed to get deep enough to get to the vitals. I decided to change to JSB Exacts 8.44gr domed pellets, at the same power setting on the rifle. They are slightly heavier than the flat nosed pellets, but should give about the same FPE, but the domed shape should give better penetration, so I believed. The other night I got asked to attend to another pair of pigeons that have moved in and started nesting exactly where the previous pair was. I went down late at night and found the male sitting up very high, just under the glass roof… Humm. The female was on the nest, and besides a tight angle (she was on a shelf about 3m high), if i backed up a few meters I could just see her head. She had some weather board behind her so I was happy to take the shot. A pellet behind the eye removed the back of her head and she flapped to the floor where I retrieved her and put her in the back of the Ute. I looked at the male again, and again, and again…. So tempting. He was just sitting there right above me. But I kept telling my self, we’re expecting more penetration, but we don’t know how much!!! It’s just not worth taking a shot with that glass roof behind him. So out of frustration I threw a stick at him and it flew off out into the darkness! When I got home (close to midnight) I set up the recovered pigeon in front of my pellet trap and did some penetration tests with the domed exacts. Well, about half of the shots made it through to the heart/lungs, which is exactly what I wanted, the other half exited! Boy was I glad I had had enough self control to pass up the shot on the male! The pellets I recovered from the pellet trap had not been flattened, suggesting they had lost most of their energy traveling through the target and were probably only just making it out. I need to now chrono the JSB exacts 8.44gr and determine their fps and fpe. It’s nice to now have a choice of pellets and to know how each will perform 👍🏻 |
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Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 2:21am |
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Got any key words or phrases you used so I can use the search to find it. Even what topic you put it under?
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Pauly5
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Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 1:58am |
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I still have it, but have been using the Sytong as it's a bit more compact. There will probably be old photos on here of it somewhere.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 1:52am |
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It also has me thinking a tree mounted gun with servos to to adjust height and direction. But that's just a little to James bond for me
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Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 1:49am |
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007 and Q combined. What happened to the rig? I watch Ted's holdover and you see him using a phone holder on his scope and ph. It looks like a rather pleasent way to shoot from a screen. Espially for older eyes starting thier decline.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 1:36am |
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I'll try that next time Pete.
Kruz, good idea. In fact I used to use a Marauder pistol for this work, and I had a home made NV rig on it that used a reversing camera screen. I actually held the gun out the window and shot at right angles using the screen to aim.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 5:12pm |
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Maybe a pistol as well for those close jobs? 2250 stock?
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Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 5:06pm |
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😂😂😂 At 1.5m you aim for the very fuzzy and out of focus head, and hit it in the heart… 😂😂😂
In fact, it might be easier to not aim at all, just reach out as far as u can, stretch a smidget further and gently touch the muzzel up to its breast as u squeeze the trigger! 😂😂😂 |
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Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 5:04pm |
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It was the hardest shot of the night. I had to hold the muzzle against the frame, and could barely see the bird, then think about hold over at that range, (more like how high is my scope off the barrel).
Yes I got it. Not a clean kill but got it.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 4:34pm |
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And at 1.5m be prepared to be ribbed merciless if ya didn't. Lol
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