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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Myson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2023 at 8:02am
Paul - you're an engineering genius!!!

I wish I had your skills! Smile
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Quick update.

12 pumps = 19.16 fpe / 690 fps

Bent pellet skirt testing to come.
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Originally posted by RangerPete RangerPete wrote:

Very interesting thread.
And you are lucky to have the machinery, and the knowledge, to be able to tinker and create 😉
Have you tried a few damaged skirts on that beveled probe yet? I’ll bet it works a treat! 😉

I will have a go at that next. I know the probe seats the pellet well as there are clear rifling marks on the skirt after pushing the bolt home.




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That... Is awesome. Fantastic results.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RangerPete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2023 at 9:48pm
Very interesting thread.
And you are lucky to have the machinery, and the knowledge, to be able to tinker and create 😉
Have you tried a few damaged skirts on that beveled probe yet? I’ll bet it works a treat! 😉
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pauly5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2023 at 9:24pm
Glad you like it, It's been really enjoyable doing it.

I've been making drawings with measurements so I can make more bits later without having to take it apart and measure things again. It also helps me figure out the order of operations.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kruzaroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2023 at 9:01pm
Dude that's a nice jump up in fpe.
You must happy with the alterations.
Great review throughly enjoying it
Awsome detail photos.
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It's been a good day in the workshop. Today I took the 362 apart to work on the valve area,

Drilled out TP in the barrel to 4 mm
drilled out TP to 4 mm
shaped the outlet valve in the valve body

I started to slim the valve stem and broke it, so I ended up making a new one. I didn't thin out this stem, but round off the edges of the valve stem body for better flow around it, but only minimal difference.

I also made a delrin spring seat which would increase the hammer spring tension. This sits inside the hammer.

Photos to follow, and chrony results you will want to see at the end.





Spring ends on the hammer spring are horrific, so they got smoothed off.



New valve stem next to the broken factory one. Now I know I can successfully make them I might try slimming out the stem for better flow.



Delrin seat for hammer tension increase.



A couple of angles of the valve body. Trying to show the smoothed out angle for better air flow.





So what were the results? 
Prior to this work I had already fitted a hollow probe: Using 18 grn JSB

 8 pumps I was getting 13.80 fpe.
12 pumps  16.11 fpe

After the above works using 18 grn JSB

8 pumps - 15.71 fpe  - 624 fps
10 pumps - 17.61 fpe - 661 fps

I'm pretty impressed with that. I packed it in for the night, but will see if all the air has been dumped and will try 12 pumps tomorrow. Then accuracy needs to be tested.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RangerPete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2023 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Pauly5 Pauly5 wrote:

Pete, that was the thinking behind that, in the hope it would help do that and seat the pellet skirt onto the rifling.

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 would be interesting to do some simple tests and see if it works, once you have a working prototype 👍🏻
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Originally posted by Billbobnz Billbobnz wrote:

Mate they are making me want to get a lathe.....

Hopefully getting one at work soon. So hopefully will finish a few projects around here.


That is exciting. 
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