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    Posted: 29 Sep 2024 at 11:10am
Thats interesting, and some serious numbers for a break barrel, wow!!!

See its considerations like that that we would need to clarify (shot placments) before being able to define the Min FPE needed.
I think because the majority of hunters dont take head shots, and because a heart/lung shot is every bit as fatal, we should probably consider heart/lung shots as being the standard.
So maybe it should be defined as "the minumim FPE required to achieve a heart/lung shot"?
That may include having to go through the scapular.
Of course if you hit a humerous that changes everything!

Or another approach would be to say, in order to cleanly kill a (for example) rabbit, with 10 out of 10 shots, regardless of angle or shot placement, how many FPE would you need.
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Well i know that my nitro piston hatsan .25 using predator polymags 26gr spits them out @735fps and is around 30 pfe.

I have taken out many goats with that out to 25 meters with that combo. But that was with chest shots. If i hit them in the head it will drop it on the spot but will not kill it and needs to follow up close range with another shot to finish it off
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Would be interesting to come up with a NZ pest list and our own recommended minimum FPE required for each species in NZ.
Could have a group discussion sharing experiences from everyone about their encounters with a said species and what they feel is the min FPE needed for that species.
You guys keen to start a NZ list?

I think first we'd need to define the parameters for "min FPE required".
It cant be just as a once off, flook shot. It would need to be the minimum energy required to repeatedly reach vitals and ethically dispatch a species.
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Will do when find out.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Come to think of Paulo I'm going to be moving closer to town, down state hyway 2. I'll be setting up 50m shooting range you'll have to stop by.
Also hit a mate up about getting shooting on a 70 arce orchard in pakiwhai, which he recons got big hares on. So I hit him up about another shooter too.
He gets in professional pest shooters, so I sujested that he ask them first if they mind, as it can keep the hares wary.
Let you know when I find out in a week or two.

Looking forward to that! Let me know where and when and I'll try to be there. The orchard seems to be less than 10 mins from where I live, and it would surely make for an awesome late arvo or early morning exercise.

I really need to get some new permissions to shoot, as down at my block neighbours are starting to move in, the turkeys are buggering off the region because of the noises and human presence, and it's getting harder and harder to get safe and good sessions down there.
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Just finished having a look at opossum anatomy.
I can see why 19fpe would be a recommended amount of energy. The extra thickness of bone and muscle protecting on the side for a heart shot, it's also tucked right behind rotor socket of front leg, that adds the leg bone into the equation for a lot of shots. The brain has a relativity small area for size. There's a rigde down the center of skull that is pretty thick and high, that would challange a pellet shot dead center of skull. There's a good bone running under the eye that would deflect or take the impact out of upwards shot to side of head.
I'm assuming that the best upwards shot is through the neck to the rather large lower part of brain.
Best side shot high on skull behind eye. Lung shot. Most all of the lower lung can be reached without having to penitrate more than ribs and flesh.
Back of head looks like good spot.
But all said and done a mighty tough critter with small cal.

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Come to think of Paulo I'm going to be moving closer to town, down state hyway 2. I'll be setting up 50m shooting range you'll have to stop by.
Also hit a mate up about getting shooting on a 70 arce orchard in pakiwhai, which he recons got big hares on. So I hit him up about another shooter too.
He gets in professional pest shooters, so I sujested that he ask them first if they mind, as it can keep the hares wary.
Let you know when I find out in a week or two.
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There's another pic on site where a .25 been used for a wallaby.

This is a 20mm over 4000 fps air rifle.
https://youtu.be/1jTnrjVxtV

They definitely arnt the air rifles I grew up with.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

They pig and deer hunt in America with air rifles.


I saw some videos, but in all of them they were using either big bore guns - usually .50 - or air bolt propellers, .25 for that size game is new to me. Impressive.
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They pig and deer hunt in America with air rifles.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

Page 23 of youve got to be out there to see.
Author should be able to answer that.


Just saw it, that’s quite neat. Sometimes we underestimate the power of these rifles, but that’s just proof they are quite serious business.
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Page 23 of youve got to be out there to see.
Author should be able to answer that.
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Originally posted by kruzaroad kruzaroad wrote:

So what's a .25 like for a possum gun?
I imagine it would have the fpe needed to bowl a Possum.
As well as giving me an excuse to consider a dedicated opossum gun.
1322 .22: bird,
sig .177: bird, rabbit, hare, opossum to 15m
Weihrauch .22(Hopefully in Feb) rabbit, hare, cat, Maggie, opossum close range
.25 possum, cat, goat Close range. Wallaby if ever get the chance.
See what work brings.

Do you reckon you can take down a goat with the pellet gun? Legit asking, because I never heard of it. The .25 pellet will surely have much more momentum, which would in turn give more penetration, but it's still an interesting thought. And how close you reckon you'd need to be?
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So what's a .25 like for a possum gun?
I imagine it would have the fpe needed to bowl a Possum.
As well as giving me an excuse to consider a dedicated opossum gun.
1322 .22: bird,
sig .177: bird, rabbit, hare, opossum to 15m
Weihrauch .22(Hopefully in Feb) rabbit, hare, cat, Maggie, opossum close range
.25 possum, cat, goat Close range. Wallaby if ever get the chance.
See what work brings.
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I was looking at the BSA multi shot when lockdowns were looming and grabbed the locally available Gamo Replay 10 to run through its paces while the world waited. 

I could not be more pleased with my Gamo as it is very accurate and a pleasure to shoot but still keep an eye out for the BSA versions.

BSA had a lovely stock and I understand at the time they came with a British made hammer forged barrel.

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