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    Posted: 14 Jun 2023 at 6:07pm
I remember we had a Jacana break barrel in .177 when I was very young, must be 35 years ago…
I can’t remember what happened to it, I think my dad gave it to my uncle and it ended up going to my two cousins. Who knows where it is today.

Many years later I bought my self MY first Airgun, which was at the time a very expensive Diana model 48 side lever in .177.
A beautiful rifle that was heavy but lovely to shoot.

Many years after that I became a game ranger and my every day constant companion working rifle was a CZ .458Lott which I had custom fitted to my very long arms and big hands. As a charge stopping rifle it had no fancy optics, just simple, reliable, easy and quick to find open sights and was intended to stop a charging Buffalo, lion or elephant at 10m. To be able to shoot quickly (very quickly) and accurately with open sights takes a lot of practice and building muscle memory, but at $15 a round practicing with .458Lott ammo gets expensive quickly!
So I took my old Diana to the same gunsmith who had restocked my Lott and asked him to replicate my Lotts dimensions, I wanted them identical in every way, including the sights and sight picture.

The end result was that I could pick up and shoulder either rifle with my eyes closed, and when I opened my eyes I would be looking stright down the barrel with the sight picture perfectly lined up on what I was pointing at.
I lost count of how many tins of pellets I put through that Diana, one pellet at a time.
Shoulder, aim, shoot, quick as you can. Shoulder, aim, shoot. Shoulder, aim, shoot.
At 12m freehand it was pellet on pellet one hole groups all day long.
I loved that rifle, both of them.
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nungas dead right bout gamos,they way over priced for what they are,i still have and use a 29 year old early 22 gamo shadow,thats been really worked over and has an excellent trigger but didnt leave factory the way it is today you can bet on that,i allways make on fit a recoil block to stringers to prevent the mounts moving but allways use top quality scope rings and good quality scopes,found this lot cheaper and less frustrating than constantly having scope and mount problems with hi powered springers,personally if looking for a good springer i would allways be looking for top quality second hand rifles which you can often buy in top condition second hand cheaper than a new gamo,you cant beat the really good older german and british made springers the build quality is suppurb,as they were made to last,
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Originally posted by nunga nunga wrote:

The first problem is the name, Gamo. the second problem is they are crap. Ive done a lot of trigger conversions for them which did improve them a little but they are a cheap rifle with a high price tag.


This is the sad truth, in New Zealand Gamo is well overpriced - guessing because they are high margin guns for hunting stores they push sales of them more because they make more on them.
In USA they are much cheaper and this should likely be the price they should be here. GC pushing $999 fr a gamo multishot is madness - thats almost weihrauch / air arms money at the time.

Gamo had a vast % of market share and huge potential to launch a really good air rifle designed from the ground up, but they keep replacing steel with plastic and trying to put out the fastest FPS claim they can without building a rifle that will shoot the speed well or even last shooting that speed for any decent 'lifetime'..

Gamo rant over, if you have one and like it thats great, get an older Gamo CFX / CFR - thats about the best gamo you will get
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The first problem is the name, Gamo. the second problem is they are crap. Ive done a lot of trigger conversions for them which did improve them a little but they are a cheap rifle with a high price tag.
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Your not the only one who has had those problems.

Its not the problem the the game ram vs spring as I have had the same problem the spring powered gamos and a couple of my friends who own gamos have the same as well particularly with newer models. I've got rid of all mine

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A Tale of Woe

Brought a Gamo Whisper Gas-Ram .177 for rabbit control. I had shot airrifles before but never pruchased one.

It had quite a bit of recoil and I had to check and tighten almost all the screws from time to time.

After about 2 tins its POI started to drift and then not even hold zero... so I took it apart.
I quickly found the stop pin on the scope was carving its way out of its mount. The Mounts stop pin was carving its way out of the barrel  and the barrels break bolt had also snapped at one end.

Soft metal all around. Lets say I would be very careful about buying too cheap.... and quite frankly I would take a Spinger over a Gas-Ram any day...

It all a learning curve. :)

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Yeah, this is great mercs!

I forgot to mention that dad carried that old Ronson Lighter (with a big dent in the centre!) for the rest of his life and would tell the story to anyone who would listen!!! Smile

And that little BSA Cadet rifle started a 65-year love of Shooting that lead me to smallbore, fullbore and shotgun competitions, pest control and hunting trips around the world!

It's amazing what a little bit of air can do eh?!!! Wink

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I am liking this, anyone else have a first rifle or liquorice story to share.


 

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My very first at age 5 (in 1957) was the BSA Cadet .177:



Many hours of fun and learning shooting sparrows out of the ivy on the front of our home in rural Suffolk, UK.

Best remembered shot was my dad's old cigarette lighter! He hid it behind a Horse Chestnut leaf at about 20yds and said to this 6 year old who was smaller than the rifle (!): "Hit that son and you'll get a bag of liquorice....!"

Silly ol'bugger.... that cost him a bag of liquorice!!!! Smile

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i have been shooting feral roosters around here for years i use an old gamo 22 shadow which bout same power as the crosman,dumps them every time as it does for rabbits and possums too,the triggers in crosman and gamo pretty much the same and can be vastly improved quite easily my gamo set up to break cleanly with no creep at just under 3lbs,tho rifle was accurate to start with improving trigger significantly improved its accurracy ,i allso remove the pain in butt bear trap safety bars,so i can uncock the  rifle,dont knowif removing this useless safety device helps improve the trigger,but cant hurt either,these things are just put thereto protect idiots from themselves and to cover the factory from product libility issuses.
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Crosman XT
Went to the store and requested a rifle to deal with problem roosters (apparently this is a common request). I was shown an industry brand model B1 at which I said, "its a really big rooster".

I was well advised and left with a packaged Crosman for $320.
Rifle did the job including ongoing pest control.

A more robust Gamo scope and one piece mount for $160 soon replaced the supplied Centre Point 4x32.

I was impressed with how far the technology had evolved including power, accuracy and low maintenance.

Advertised at 100fps 18 ft/lb
Measured at 989fps 17.1 ft/lb

The power remained unchanged after >2000 pellets.

Learnings:
For general use get something with fixed sights.
Model with a  better trigger generally double the price.


Recommend:
 Yes, rabbits do not get up and possums fall from the trees.




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 What was your first Air Gun

Realise the theme to this tread is  about buying a new airgun, thought I would start a conversation for us old buggers.

    My first air gun, was a birthday present from my Grandfather, he believed in quality & that was measured by how solid (heavy) it felt.

Year was 1970.

 Rifle was a Polish Predom 177 and at 8 1/2 pounds, was perfect for a skinny 8 year old. Got many years of joy out of it & developed strong arms carrying the dam thing around.

Mates had BSA meteors, ElGamos   which were  far less agricultural & more powerful.

 Still enjoyed that rifle, had a barrel release system that was brilliant, never seen it again on any brand of air rifle.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dvlnme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2021 at 6:05am
will do that,we can allways make it a joint project,i can possibly machine things you may not be able to and visa versa mate been a while since have done a joint project,because of where i live i dont see many like minded people,as you know am not easy to find eh!!!most the time i like it that way,but allways nice to kick things around in person with some one else with same interests at times,PM  me and we can swap email addresses etc as i dont really like putting some my ideas or what i do on open forums the way things are these days.
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Thanks Mike, I will let you know next time I'm at my in-laws in New Plymouth. I want a good challenge of a project and a complete ground up build has always been in the back of my mind. Keep in touch.
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the pcp revolver is 22 cal,my next build is going to be a 25cal lever action rifle ,i now have most of what i need to start the rifle so hope to start on that this year,the pistol going fine,still working on it tho,had some design issuses with valve am sorting out,wasnt sealing properly.
 dont have any real drawings for the revolver other than the few origional drawings i did some years ago and they pretty bassic mate,most of it in my head,so bit hard to explain,but you welcome to drop in next time you down,have look at it and i can pull it down and you can see how its made and we can take few measurements and make up some drawings to get you started,but warn you there is some pretty tricky machining needed to make some parts that requires some specilized tooling,most parts made on a mill,and you will need a rotery table to make them,but i do have an experimental bolt action pistol breech here thats lot easier to make that will take up to 38cal that might interst you,this is a very strong breech with a steel to steel lock up thats a little different to the usual bolt action breech and all easy machine work imade it using the mill but i could be made using a lathe with the right tooling,you should have look at it first but think you will like it,it will take maruader mags.which are cheap and readily available from youngs,i have 10in piece 22 barrel you can have as well.
 you proberly need to drop in next time you down mate.
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