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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : If a RIFLE is pressurised with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=658">KiwiTR6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 2:42pm<br /><br /><div>If a RIFLE is pressurised with AIR by an external source such as a dive tank, compressor or hand pump, then my reading of the current legislation is that it is an PCP and classed as an 'especially dangerous airgun'.</div><div><br></div><div>If the pump is integral to the rifle with no facility for external pressurisation then I would imagine it doesn't fit into that classification whether it is single shot or multi shot.&nbsp; Just my PO.</div><div><br></div><div>The new firearms legislation is currently being drafted.&nbsp; If you're interested in what;s happening then it's worth paying the $29 annual subscription to COLFO (Council of Licenced Firearms Owners).&nbsp; You don't think you need to have a FAL to join and they are the main body interacting with the Government on this matter.</div><div><br></div><div>https://www.colfo.org/news-and-pr</div>]]>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : But if its more than a single...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 10:46am<br /><br /> But if its more than a single shot off the same cylinder compression doesn't that make it a pcp as well.<br /> What happened with the gun law regulation they were going to do?<br /> You may be well allowed a under 12fps pcp by now.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by kruzaroad - 10&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 10:47am</span>]]>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : Yeah, definitely a PCP as it&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=658">KiwiTR6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 1:28pm<br /><br />Yeah, definitely a PCP as it's supplied with the fill port.&nbsp; I assume the pump is for top-up rather than to fully pressurise the cylinder.]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 13:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : So we can all agree that Co2 doesn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Pauly5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 1:11pm<br /><br />So we can all agree that Co2 doesn't require a license. I do wonder if a self charging gun like the FX independance would be regarded as needing a license if it had no fill port. I guess you could safely call it a multi pump pneumatic.<div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : The legislation relating to PCP...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=658">KiwiTR6</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 12:48pm<br /><br />The legislation relating to PCP air rifles as it stands specifically refers to pressurised 'air'.&nbsp; There is no mention of other gases such as CO2.]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 12:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : To counter any confusion, in New...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=548">mercs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 10:04am<br /><br />To counter any confusion, in New Zealand CO2 Powered air rifles do not require an FAL. These rifles are classified as airguns and are not considered "specially dangerous" unlike pre-charged pneumatic air rifles.<div>The cartridges or capsules contain liquid CO2 that vaporizes when released. Working pressure is @ 850psi and muzzle power 4 - 8fpe.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2025 10:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : In a NZ context, especially with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=681">RangerPete</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 2:26pm<br /><br />In a NZ context, especially with regards to NZ firearms laws, I think BC_Clark has summed  it up well when he says:<br /><br />"They did not want the complication of power testing airguns for a power limit, so they<br />simply decided that PCP's as a class are more dangerous and the rest are less dangerous.<br /><br />Bottom line is, if you can fill from an external air source its a PCP. If you can't it's not."<br /><br />If authorities were really serious about controlling air rifles for SAFTEY reasons, then the only logical question they should have asked was "how much FPE does it produce?'.<br />The only way to differentiate "safe air guns" from "unsafe air guns", is by setting a FPE limit. Simple.<br />It dosent matter how long or short the gun is, it dosent matter what caliber it is, it dosent matter if its a single shot or milti shot, or what the method of propulsion is.<br />All that matters is how much kinetic energy it can produce.<br /><br />I know that dosent answer the original question of "what constitutes a PCP"...<br />But in its simplest terms, PCP stands for Pre Charged Pneumatic,  pneumatic pertains to air OR gas's, so as soon as you load a pressurised co2 cartridge into your co2 powered air gun, you have created a "Pre Charged Pneumatic".<br />Same with a multi pump.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by RangerPete - 06&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 3:57pm</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? :   J-S wrote:I&#226;&#8364;&#8482;d look at it...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=705">BC_Clark</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2025 at 6:26pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by J-S" alt="Originally posted by J-S" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>J-S wrote:</strong><br /><br />I’d look at it as prechargining with air for multiple shots.. co2 isn’t air so not pcp, multi pump charges for a single shot where the stored air is then expelled, so not pcp. <br><div>If there was a multipump that allowed stored air for more than one full power shot then I’d say it’s a pcp. There are pcps that have an integral pump for charging.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is not the case with many MSP's. Even the common Crosman 760, 1377 etc.</div><div>if you pump more than the recommended strokes you get enough air for a weak second shot.</div><div>Or they have a half-cock position where you can fire a dozen or so weak shots from</div><div>the recommended 10 pump strokes, even if it wasn't intended to fire that way.</div><div>So even with accepted factory MSP's there's no clear line with how the stored air is used.</div><div><br></div><div>And with a simple mod, some MSP's can be made to hold air for two good shots.</div><div>At some point the forums were calling these ACP's, Air Conserving Pneumatics.<br></div><div><br></div><div>When I presented these facts to an arms officer, and the fact that MSP's could reach PCP pressures</div><div>and power levels, his response was along the lines of: that's how the current law is written.</div><div>They did not want the complication of power testing airguns for a power limit, so they</div><div>simply decided that PCP's as a class are more dangerous and the rest are less dangerous.</div><div><br></div><div>Bottom line is, if you can fill from an external air source its a PCP. If you can't it's not.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : Are those straps that mount to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=643">kruzaroad</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;2022 at 2:34am<br /><br /> Are those straps that mount to the back of a gun and you put around your shoulder and pull against, instead of a stock concidered a stock? Or are they carry straps. <br /> <br /> ]]>
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   <title>What makes a pcp a pcp? : Then you can have a Marauder pistol,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="www.kiwiairgunners.co.nz/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Pauly5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 709<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;2022 at 1:53am<br /><br />Then you can have a Marauder pistol, pcp without an FAL, but put the stock on it and you then need an FAL for basically the same thing.]]>
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